Tiresias Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Moyes' Everton were pretty good, boring at times but consistently got the job done and both a lot more competent and better to watch than his man u side were. He's not a terrible manager overnight, it was a poor fit and dunno if he can handle the big egos I suppose. He does also er on the negative but not as bad as a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Pretty good to finish in those positions on a shoestring budget? Massive understatement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Pards managed to challenge for a cl slot on a shoestring budget a couple of years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 They will struggle this season, similar to last season. They won't be as negative though or as tactically clueless. Their decline has been coming for years because Fergie spent huge sums on average players. The fact they kept winning things was testament to just how great he was. Moyes was always going to fail because he isn't and never will good enough to manage at that level. LVG is, but he has his work cut out because they need a massive overhaul and the competition around them is arguably the strongest it's ever been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Pards managed to challenge for a cl slot on a shoestring budget a couple of years ago. Point being what? Moyes did it consistently over a decade with arguably an inferior side and no Ba, Cisse and Hatem in the best form of their careers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Pretty good to finish in those positions on a shoestring budget? Massive understatement. I don't disagree tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Doing it over a number of seasons proves a team & manager. Doing it just once, it's debatable. Been a few examples of poor teams/managers having a 1 season wonder and then fall back to what they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 George Burley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 George Burley. Frank Clark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 George Burley. Frank Clark. Benjamin Netanyahu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Without signing defenders to replace Vidic and Rio no manager has a hope of top 4 there. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Pretty good to finish in those positions on a shoestring budget? Massive understatement. You said the same about Pardew when we finished 5th, granted it was only one season, like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Not relevant then, is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Moyes and Everton were a good match but at the end of the day they were kind of standing still as a club and I know a lot of Everton fans were getting tired of the poor starts/strong finish or the negative and cautious approach. He did a good job there, a very good job, but nothing remarkable. Certainly nothing to suggest he could achieve anything with Man Utd. He's an average manager in the same mould as Hughes, Bruce et al. Managers like them need to be at the right club to do good things and under the right conditions, as such those type of managers are limited. He is head and shoulders above Pardew mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 When did Hughes and Bruce finish 4th with no money to spend? Hughes couldn't even get the world's richest club 4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Not relevant then, is it? I think there's an interesting comparison between the two discussions. Incidentally I'd take Moyes here in a flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 When did Hughes and Bruce finish 4th with no money to spend? Hughes couldn't even get the world's richest club 4th. If you want to use those kind of variables we could cite Pardew finishing 5th or Big Sam finishing 6th with Bolton. Regardless, Moyes is in the same bracket of manager as Hughes and Bruce in terms of abilities. What he did with Everton was very good, but he had no pressure and he did have money to spend. What Big Sam did at Bolton was more impressive. Btw I rate Moyes, he's a decent enough manager but that is all he is. Bruce is the same as is Hughes. Sadly in this country there seems to be a huge gulf between the different managers. we have no outstanding manager and all the top managers are foreign. We are a backward nation when it comes to playing and coaching football and it stems from the grassroots game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 When did Hughes and Bruce finish 4th with no money to spend? Hughes couldn't even get the world's richest club 4th. If you want to use those kind of variables we could cite Pardew finishing 5th or Big Sam finishing 6th with Bolton. I'll leave it there. Not repeating myself again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I'll leave it there. Not repeating myself again. You and that fucking smiley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Moyes was comically poor at Man United, and plenty saw it coming from the moment he was appointed. Good manager at Everton, not cut out for the next level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Bit pathetic to see Scholes saying that Man Utd should play 4-4-2 because they have been successful playing that in the last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Moyes was comically poor at Man United, and plenty saw it coming from the moment he was appointed. Good manager at Everton, not cut out for the next level. I agree with this but once they appointed him, they should have backed him a whole heap more in the transfer market. And in that respect, I'd say Moyes was a tad hard done to there. It will be interesting to see them languishing in 6/7th place again after backing LVG so much more, if they'll sack him too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 George Burley. Frank Clark. Benjamin Netanyahu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 They need some drive from Midfield alongside Herrera, a winger who can create something and a top class CB. Get them and they might have a successful season, fail to do so and 5th is the ceiling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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