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Moyes' Everton were pretty good, boring at times but consistently got the job done and both a lot more competent and better to watch than his man u side were. He's not a terrible manager overnight, it was a poor fit and dunno if he can handle the big egos I suppose. He does also er on the negative but not as bad as a lot.

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They will struggle this season, similar to last season. They won't be as negative though or as tactically clueless. Their decline has been coming for years because Fergie spent huge sums on average players. The fact they kept winning things was testament to just how great he was. Moyes was always going to fail because he isn't and never will good enough to manage at that level. LVG is, but he has his work cut out because they need a massive overhaul and the competition around them is arguably the strongest it's ever been.

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Pards managed to challenge for a cl slot on a shoestring budget a couple of years ago.

 

Point being what? Moyes did it consistently over a decade with arguably an inferior side and no Ba, Cisse and Hatem in the best form of their careers.

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Doing it over a number of seasons proves a team & manager.  Doing it just once, it's debatable.  Been a few examples of poor teams/managers having a 1 season wonder and then fall back to what they are.

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Moyes and Everton were a good match but at the end of the day they were kind of standing still as a club and I know a lot of Everton fans were getting tired of the poor starts/strong finish or the negative and cautious approach.

 

He did a good job there, a very good job, but nothing remarkable. Certainly nothing to suggest he could achieve anything with Man Utd. He's an average manager in the same mould as Hughes,  Bruce et al. Managers like them need to be at the right club to do good things and under the right conditions, as such those type of managers are limited.

 

He is head and shoulders above Pardew mind.

 

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When did Hughes and Bruce finish 4th with no money to spend? Hughes couldn't even get the world's richest club 4th.

 

If you want to use those kind of variables we could cite Pardew finishing 5th or Big Sam finishing 6th with Bolton. Regardless, Moyes is in the same bracket of manager as Hughes and Bruce in terms of abilities. What he did with Everton was very good, but he had no pressure and he did have money to spend. What Big Sam did at Bolton was more impressive. Btw I rate Moyes, he's a decent enough manager but that is all he is. Bruce is the same as is Hughes. Sadly in this country there seems to be a huge gulf between the different managers. we have no outstanding manager and all the top managers are foreign. We are a backward nation when it comes to playing and coaching football and it stems from the grassroots game.

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When did Hughes and Bruce finish 4th with no money to spend? Hughes couldn't even get the world's richest club 4th.

 

If you want to use those kind of variables we could cite Pardew finishing 5th or Big Sam finishing 6th with Bolton.

 

:bob:

 

I'll leave it there. Not repeating myself again.

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Moyes was comically poor at Man United, and plenty saw it coming from the moment he was appointed. Good manager at Everton, not cut out for the next level.

I agree with this but once they appointed him, they should have backed him a whole heap more in the transfer market. And in that respect,  I'd say Moyes was a tad hard done to there.

 

It will be interesting to see them languishing in 6/7th place again after backing LVG so much more, if they'll sack him too.

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