Manchester United

[Skeletor]

2 hours ago, Chris_R said:

I've got a conspiracy theory, if you'll indulge me...

 

Man U are leaking they want Southgate, but they don't. Because nobody rational would. It's to make us think Ashworth is already working for them because of their time with England, so therefore we might as well just accept £2m or whatever lowball number it is today. 

 

This rumour is just to drive down the compo.

 

Nah he's just got no football acumen, so is dazzled by Southgate's semi finals/final as England manager.

[Astroblack]

Mason Greenwood’s GA since going to Getafe - 10 goals, 6 assists in 32 games. 
 

I thought he was a pure finisher but he’s doing HBA type skills from the comps I’ve been watching. 

[Ben]

Southgate to Man Utd would be glorious 

[gdm]

auld Jim is a great laugh

 

 

[1964]

3 minutes ago, gdm said:

auld Jim is a great laugh

 

 

I agree with him, the players have been working from home far too much in recent weeks

[Nexumaster]

3 minutes ago, gdm said:

auld Jim is a great laugh

 

 

 

He'd find that hard to enforce from a legal point of view, wouldn't he? It may be in people's original contracts but if they've been doing it for years now it'll sort of be an official change in "psychological contract" that both parties have agreed and accepted.

[CheikBoom]

10 hours ago, Beth said:

Seriously? WFH is the biggest skive known to man and a hangover from the covid era.

What a brain fart.

 

WFH / Hybrid is fantastic. Just a small number of benefits we've seen at work.

• Staff retention is massively improved.
• Staff flexibility around working patterns massively improves (because they're not travelling).
• Productivity is no different, if not slightly better.
• Staff are much happier.

 

Spending 1-2 hours per day commuting isn't an enjoyable experience. Mornings and evenings are now spent getting fresh air or other forms of exercise. 

[Theregulars]

10 hours ago, Nucasol said:

Nothing beats losing four hours of efficient work at home to spend it sat or stood on sweatbox trains doing nothing so some no nowt prick can have you in the office. Boomers gonna boom.

And don’t forget the super important meetings where 95% of the content bears no relevance to your work. Dat presenteeism 

[Groundhog63]

WFH is shit man. N-Os very own HR expert said so. 

Apparently blokes sit at home scratching their ring pieces and sniffing their fingers whilst the lasses sit in their dressing gowns watching MAFS-AUS and crying 

 

 

[Theregulars]

To be fair I think there are arguments for and against working from home if you have the debate in good faith. The issue is the coercion: it’s literally old fashioned. Businesses who insist on it won’t attract talent in the long run. 

[Nucasol]

7 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

To be fair I think there are arguments for and against working from home if you have the debate in good faith. The issue is the coercion: it’s literally old fashioned. Businesses who insist on it won’t attract talent in the long run. 

Hence why Manky Jim appears the out of touch Brexit-ERG-Conservative masters and slaves shitbag that he is.

[Gaztoon]

[gdm]

What made me laugh is the fact they don’t have enough office space as they converted the office space for hospitality  

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, CheikBoom said:

What a brain fart.

 

WFH / Hybrid is fantastic. Just a small number of benefits we've seen at work.

• Staff retention is massively improved.
• Staff flexibility around working patterns massively improves (because they're not travelling).
• Productivity is no different, if not slightly better.
• Staff are much happier.

 

Spending 1-2 hours per day commuting isn't an enjoyable experience. Mornings and evenings are now spent getting fresh air or other forms of exercise. 

 

I have worked from home for the last 7.5 years.  As I have worked for national companies and they don't have regional offices.    

 

If there was a local office, hybrid would be great.  As it's actually good getting up to HQ and seeing the people I rely on every day to do my job effectively.  But HQ is 200 miles away from me.  

 

I honestly think even if I was offered a significant pay rise.  I couldn't go back to working full time at an office.  It doesn't make any sense in this day and age and I like the flexibility.  But I still get my work done.  I work in specification/sales.  So it's fairly easy to monitor if people are wanking it off and 'skiving' as Beth thinks is the case   

[Bondedcrown]

Aaand there we go! Attention span of goldfish! 

[CheikBoom]

3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

I have worked from home for the last 7.5 years.  As I have worked for national companies and they don't have regional offices.    

 

If there was a local office, hybrid would be great.  As it's actually good getting up to HQ and seeing the people I rely on every day to do my job effectively.  But HQ is 200 miles away from me.  

 

I honestly think even if I was offered a significant pay rise.  I couldn't go back to working full time at an office.  It doesn't make any sense in this day and age and I like the flexibility.  But I still get my work done.  I work in specification/sales.  So it's fairly easy to monitor if people are wanking it off and 'skiving' as Beth thinks is the case   

Its very easy to monitor these days. I'm pretty much permanent at home now, but will pick a few days per month to pop in and all the team will come in that day.

 

There's a mindset from some that if you work from home you take piss. If anything, I work better from home despite more distractions. 

 

For a lot of people home working is a privelage and don't want to be seen as taking the piss. 

 

 

[Fezzle]

My lass works from home since covid and they monitor it so much that she 'owes' them 6 mins 15 seconds from going over on breaks/lunch since xmas. The fucked up part is when she works over her hours they dont count that til it hits 15 mins so in reality they owe her about 10 hours during that time as you cant exactly just cut a person off ffs. The idea everyone is skiving is stupidly naive so hardly a shock to see which knacka said it

 

 

Edited May 10 by Fezzle

[Nucasol]

39 minutes ago, Fezzle said:

My lass works from home since covid and they monitor it so much that she 'owes' them 6 mins 15 seconds from going over on breaks/lunch since xmas. The fucked up part is when she works over her hours they dont count that til it hits 15 mins so in reality they owe her about 10 hours during that time as you cant exactly just cut a person off ffs. The idea everyone is skiving is stupidly naive so hardly a shock to see which knacka said it

 

 

 

Meanwhile back at @Beth’s workplace

 

[Chris_R]

1 hour ago, CheikBoom said:

There's a mindset from some that if you work from home you take piss.

 

1 hour ago, Fezzle said:

The idea everyone is skiving is stupidly naive so hardly a shock to see which knacka said it

 

I'll be honest: yes, sometimes I skive when working from home. But guess what? I skive in the office too! Ha!

 

I can slack off anywhere. I'm an artist at it. I can spend a whole day doing absolutely fuck all in the office. Like, nothing. Not even pretending. I'll skive WITH my boss. 

 

But this is because my work is already done, and the thing with office work is 'presenteeism' forces me to sit and stare at a clock until the numbers reach an arbitrary sequence before I can get in my car and go home. It's a very literal waste of my time. 

 

Working from home I can crack on with something useful and get my life back during such time, while of course being available for work if required.

 

Whilst I take time back when this are quiet, I put in a shift when needed. 3 days ago I did a full shift at the customer site in Dhahran then went back to the hotel and did another 7 hours because it was needed. But I only do that knowing I can and will take time back on quiet days because the moment I can't, then come 5pm every day I'm downing tools no matter where I'm at, what I'm doing or what the business consequences are.

 

The only thing a manager should ever ask of their staff is "have you completed all of your work, to a high standard and in the agreed timescale". If the answer is "yes", then where, when and how you complete it is completely irrelevant.

 

[Fezzle]

30 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

 

I'll be honest: yes, sometimes I skive when working from home. But guess what? I skive in the office too! Ha!

 

I can slack off anywhere. I'm an artist at it. I can spend a whole day doing absolutely fuck all in the office. Like, nothing. Not even pretending. I'll skive WITH my boss. 

 

But this is because my work is already done, and the thing with office work is 'presenteeism' forces me to sit and stare at a clock until the numbers reach an arbitrary sequence before I can get in my car and go home. It's a very literal waste of my time. 

 

Working from home I can crack on with something useful and get my life back during such time, while of course being available for work if required.

 

Whilst I take time back when this are quiet, I put in a shift when needed. 3 days ago I did a full shift at the customer site in Dhahran then went back to the hotel and did another 7 hours because it was needed. But I only do that knowing I can and will take time back on quiet days because the moment I can't, then come 5pm every day I'm downing tools no matter where I'm at, what I'm doing or what the business consequences are.

 

The only thing a manager should ever ask of their staff is "have you completed all of your work, to a high standard and in the agreed timescale". If the answer is "yes", then where, when and how you complete it is completely irrelevant.

 

I mean i just took my lunch then came to reply when i was supposed to be working so its a common thing haha. Jokes aside i get all my jobs done each day and dont take normal breaks so its allowed really. Different kettle of fish if it affects output though

[NE27]

15 minutes ago, Fezzle said:

I mean i just took my lunch then came to reply when i was supposed to be working so its a common thing haha. Jokes aside i get all my jobs done each day and dont take normal breaks so its allowed really. Different kettle of fish if it affects output though

 

Unless you specifically need to be at meetings for certain times then who really gives a shit as long as you're contactable and delivering your work in a timely manner.

 

Employers should have more trust in their employees to get stuff done, you will sharp realise who isn't and needs extra help or jettisoned.

 

Thankful my employer trusts me 

[Chris_R]

25 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

Unless you specifically need to be at meetings for certain times then who really gives a shit as long as you're contactable and delivering your work in a timely manner.

 

Employers should have more trust in their employees to get stuff done, you will sharp realise who isn't and needs extra help or jettisoned.

 

Thankful my employer trusts me 

 

100%

 

I guess the exception is work like call centre work, done remotely. Then it's all about your availability to take calls and you can't slack in the traditional sense. You can still slack. You just have to be more creative!

 

Standard office jobs where you're given an amount of work to do for the day/week/whatever, who cares when you do it, where, or how?

 

The problem is middle managers and boomers, guessing Beth is one of either of those camps, who feel they need to sit and watch people work. Middle managers, especially those with shit managerial skills who have been overpromoted, feel that if they're not seen to be observing their staff then someone higher up will realise they add absolutely nothing to the company whatsoever and their cushy gig will be up so they like everyone where they can watch them. It's also partly a power trip for some. They don't actually DO anything themselves, they just like to watch "their staff" work.

 

Add to this that we're constantly gas-lit by people like Alan Sugar and organisations / publications who own loads of office space, who are seeing this plummet in value so they need to tell everyone how evil WFH is. But hey, maybe, JUST MAYBE, these people don't have our best interests at heart....

 

The other category of course are the jealous. Shop workers, people who can't work from home and are really envious of those who can. Now not everyone is envious, many say "good for you, enjoy!" but not everyone likes to see others have things better than them and so they rail against the concept of working from home, hoping to spoil it for the rest of us. Retirees fall into this camp too "Well, *I* had to go in every day for 45 years so you should too!", that kind of mentality.

 

It's 2024. I will never again work a job that requires 100% office presence. It's unnecessary and just punitive for 0 benefit.

[madras]

Re all the boomer shit. (I'm a gen x'er btw). I've recently read loads about the generation divides and Bobby Duffy's "The generation divide" is a good, enlightening read.

 

 

Edited May 10 by madras

[The Butcher]

Shame

[Nucasol]

17 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Shame