Manchester United

[Froggy]

12 minutes ago, OCK said:

Ah the daily Froggy aneurysm

 

Hope you had a good birthday yesterday Chris!

[Zero]

I do agree that Man Utd wasn’t that bad before the first goal. Liverpool's pressing was insane and Man Utd successfully broke through it and created several chances. With a bit of luck Man Utd might be able to score first and prevented such a heavy loss. It was not that one-sided

 

the problem, however, is that this is exactly what Liverpool wanted to happen. They know their attackers are more clinical and as the new bald explained, they studied Man Utd’s build up pattern and hence able to exploit it. So that means even if the game was rematches, Liverpool 99% will still get the 3 points.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by Zero

[Groundhog63]

All that needs to happen now is Ugarte to pull a hammie this week. *

 

 

 

 

 

 

* FAO fate/karma gods, I don't really mean it

[KaKa]

43 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Oh the system has issues, it requires everything to be perfect. I'm not in any way saying the system doesn't carry blame for the play over the last 12 months, but it's looked a lot more compact early this season, and it's been individual mistakes that have cost us the games.

 

Mainoo was fully at fault for the third goal as well, but I'm not going to start tearing apart a 19 year old in his first full season. He's clearly an excellent player, but he shouldn't be starting every week and being relied on as much as he is. 

 

I don't understand why Casemiro is the one taking the responsibility of progressing the ball from the back.

 

Should Mainoo not be the one tasked with doing this between the two? Why is that still not clear up till now, despite all the mistakes Casemiro has made and still keeps making?

 

There just doesn't seem to be a clear plan or pattern of play there.

 

On top of that, I'm not even sure if Mainoo is fully up to that level of responsibility. He seems to have been handed the keys a bit too soon.

 

Bringing in another centre mid that could distribute from midfield would have been the way to go to take pressure off him. Eriksen is there still I guess, but he doesn't have the legs for midfield and is not great defensively.

 

Think the midfield is hurting you defensively as they get run by easily and they hurt you going forward as the build up from the back is unconvincing.

 

Ugarte will help defensively. Will be interesting to see if things will improve going forward too. He'll naturally play it to Mainoo more and it will then be up to him to initiate things.

[Froggy]

9 minutes ago, KaKa said:

I don't understand why Casemiro is the one taking the responsibility of progressing the ball from the back.

 

This is where the line is drawn as to whether it's a coaching issue or not. I don't think Casemiro is being tasked with that, but I think he's taking it upon himself. It's common sense that Casemiro should be giving the ball to Mainoo or Fernandes, but that's not happening. I just can't see that being Ten Hag's instruction.

 

Ten Hag normally stands by players in the team, so Casemiro being hooked at half time is a bit telling.

 

Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything else you've said.

[KaKa]

18 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

This is where the line is drawn as to whether it's a coaching issue or not. I don't think Casemiro is being tasked with that, but I think he's taking it upon himself. It's common sense that Casemiro should be giving the ball to Mainoo or Fernandes, but that's not happening. I just can't see that being Ten Hag's instruction.

 

Ten Hag normally stands by players in the team, so Casemiro being hooked at half time is a bit telling.

 

Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything else you've said.

 

The weird thing is Casemiro has been doing this for a while and so if it's not the instruction and he's doing something he shouldn't be, then he should not be playing and should have been sent packing in the summer.

 

There were some really good solid midfielders in the last year of their deals this summer, that went for relative peanuts in Fofana from Monaco and Thuram from Nice, both moved for around £20 million. I cannot believe you didn't end up with at least one of them.

 

For what it's worth I won't be surprised if you end up signing Rabiot in the next few weeks.

 

I think you need more options in there that can complement both Ugarte and Mainoo.

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by KaKa

[Joey47]

Froggy: “Ten Hag is a good manager, it was all Casemiro’s fault. We actually deserved to win that game, we beat them in XG and didn’t look that bad for 10 minutes in the first half”

[rebelrouser]

[Nobody]

8 hours ago, Joey47 said:

Froggy: “Ten Hag is a good manager, it was all Casemiro’s fault. We actually deserved to win that game, we beat them in XG and didn’t look that bad for 10 minutes in the first half”

Tbf, that was a quality bit of play from Liverpool, who are looking annoyingly good for a side that just lost their talisman manager

[Ben]

Somebody has fucked up their maths here

[Kaizero]

Norway is playing Austria in the Nations League today and Ralf Ragnick, now manager of Austria, was asked how he thought his words when he left Man United had aged:

 

"This club doesn't need cosmetic surgery, it needs open heart surgery."

 

to which he replied: "If you take a look the state that club is in today, even just compared to when I left it, would you say I was incorrect? No, you wouldn't. I was hired in an attempt by the club ownership to paper over the cracks, and I followed a more competent and knowledgeable football manager than the one they hired to follow me." 

 

Love me a bit of snark  

 

 

Edited September 9, 2024 by Kaizero

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

Norway is playing Austria in the Nations League today and Ralf Ragnick, now manager of Austria, was asked how he thought his words when he left Man Uted:

 

"This club doesn't need cosmetic surgery, it needs open heart surgery."

 

to which he replied: "If you take a look the state that club is in today, even just compared to when I left it, would you say I was incorrect? No, you wouldn't. I was hired in an attempt by the club ownership to paper over the cracks, and I followed a more competent and knowledgeable football manager than the one they hired to follow me." 

 

Love me a bit of snark  

 

Obviously still salty than Ten Hag didn't want to work with him. I like that he called Ole a competent and knowledgable football manager though. Ole is my guy.

 

Baffling decision by the club to get Rangnick in to do a job, not listen to him, then get rid of him before he could make an impact.

[Kaizero]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Obviously still salty than Ten Hag didn't want to work with him. I like that he called Ole a competent and knowledgable football manager though. Ole is my guy.

 

Baffling decision by the club to get Rangnick in to do a job, not listen to him, then get rid of him before he could make an impact.

 

Whilst I know that as an NUFC supporter I'm supposed to hate the guy with intense passion due to that tackle, I'm also a Norwegian, which means I can't help defending the fact that OGS isn't a bad manager. He's perhaps not an elite manager capable of managing a massive club in a massive league, but the job he did completely restructuring Molde from the bottom up to take them to their first league title in their history and to perform well in Europe is just something that can't be denied was well done. Especially if you look at how Molde, whilst still one of the "big" teams in Norway, have started to fall apart, season by season, after he left them. 

 

Now, if Molde's decline comes as a result of OGS leaving them or Kjetil Knudsen re-inventing the way a football club is meant to be run up in Bodø is another discussion entirely

 

 

Edited September 9, 2024 by Kaizero

[Froggy]

9 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

Whilst I know that as an NUFC supporter I'm supposed to hate the guy with intense passion due to that tackle, I'm also a Norwegian, which means I can't help defending the fact that OGS isn't a bad manager. He's perhaps not an elite manager capable of managing a massive club in a massive league, but the job he did completely restructuring Molde from the bottom up to take them to their first league title in their history and to perform well in Europe is just something that can't be denied was well done. Especially if you look at how Molde, whilst still one of the "big" teams in Norway, have started to fall apart, season by season, after he left them. 

 

Now, if Molde's decline comes as a result of OGS leaving them or Kjetil Knudsen re-inventing the way a football club is meant to be run up in Bodø is another discussion entirely

 

It always was very silly to suggest Solskjaer was a bad manager, but like you say, he was just limited. We played some blistering football under him and when he set us up to counter we were extremely effective. He just didn't have the tactical nous to control games against better managers, and he didn't have the authority to keep players on his side when things started going pear shaped. He was thrown under the bus almost immediately.

 

Since 2013 though the most enjoyable period for us was easily under Solskjaer, and he's the only manager who didn't win anything. 

[The Butcher]

He's shit and an utter cunt.

 

Made a rapist captain at Molde. Him and his agent mate Jim Solbakken can both get in the fucking sea.

[Ronson333]

 

[Pixelphish]

They'll just add it to the exceptions list.

[Froggy]

Good job it was renegotiated though or we would be heading for a £30m deduction next year. 

[Checko]

2 hours ago, Ronson333 said:

 

This is the same as them having £10 mllion per year less in the base sponsorship figure and the contract saying they get £10 million extra for getting champions leage, no? Suppose a team the size of Man U should be expecting Champions League so you do it that way round.

[Izakaya]

Hes going nowhere 😂

 

Imagine how bad the PR from sacking all those workers just to have enough cash to sack your underperforming manager would be. 

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Izakaya

[Nucasol]

3 hours ago, Izakaya said:

Hes going nowhere 😂

 

Imagine how bad the PR from sacking all those workers just to have enough cash to sack your underperforming manager would be. 

 

 

 

 

Clumsily worded tweet - apparently the redundancies saved £10m, so sacking Ten Slag would be lot more than that. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/05/sir-jim-ratcliffe-cuts-250-jobs-to-save-manchester-united-about-10m-a-year

[gdm]

The summer was a shambles for Man Utd. Was clear to everyone they wanted rid of ETH. They couldn’t find anyone and extended his contract and now 6 games in it’s to expensive to sack him

[The Fountain]

10 hours ago, Izakaya said:

Hes going nowhere 😂

 

Imagine how bad the PR from sacking all those workers just to have enough cash to sack your underperforming manager would be. 

 

 

 

 

£35,000,000 between 250 employees is £140,000 per employee. 

Who did they sack?

[Nucasol]

5 minutes ago, The Fountain said:

£35,000,000 between 250 employees is £140,000 per employee. 

Who did they sack?

Quality research by the tweeter. Was actually £10m and £40k average per employee. Which is a lower number for salary once you factor in NI, pension and other employer costs.

[Ben]

Never mind the £17 million to sack Ten Hag, they need to factor in the package Southgate would need when he joins.