madras Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Just to clarify, I meant "on his own" not meaning banished but no high intensity/physical challenge type stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He was sooo good against Chelsea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Haven't been overly impressed with him so far but we're crying out for a bit of creativity out wide, I really hope he can push on this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity. Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces I knew you were smart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 That Montpellier lot say some weird things about Cabella. I don't know if it's just lost in translation but the way the manager and the owner (Nicollin) go on about him anyone would think social services had just gone and taken their baby off them. I get it, he was a great player for them and came up through their ranks but Jesus Christ, let it go. That's how football works, good players move on to bigger challenges. It's not like we're holding him captive in a basement ffs. A bit rich. People here still butthurt over Carroll & Enrique Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Desperately want him to have a stormer for us this season, such a likable bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Of course he does. Cabella is one that was always goign to need time. But a lot of his struggles in the league can be attributed to himself imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Well I never said anything different tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Of course he does. Cabella is one that was always goign to need time. But a lot of his struggles in the league can be attributed to himself imo. Was dropped twice after starting to find significant form throughout last season, another victim of the Pardew regime like Mbiwa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 LOL let's not start with Mapou - the weak in the air central defender. I would also say Cabella as a signing wasn't what we needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Let's not start in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Basically. Although I said in the Colback thread that I'll try to give him a clean slate too, although I suspect he will prove himself to be crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Cabella's always worked hard for the team. He got dropped because he wasn't doing well going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He didn't do we going forward because no one did well going forward. If the likes of Gini, De Jong and Mitrovic and move about around him then I think we'll see him perform to a much better standard. I've said it before but I like the fact that even with it all going against him he never hid and he always wanted to be positive. Not many can say that of last season. Needs to be stronger on the ball but there is a player there. Feels fated to fail mind unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Cabella's always worked hard for the team. He got dropped because he wasn't doing well going forward Total minutes played - Colback 3129 Cabella 1943 Cabella will do better than Colback with equal playing time. It's not even up for debate about him going forward, he played in dribs and drabs, much like Hatem was subjected too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I think removing one of our two defensive midfielders could make a big difference. As it is, you tend to get either Sissoko or Cabella trying to do too much on their own because there's not much forward movement in midfield. Another attacking player would probably open up more space for those two and we might get to see more pass and move as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I think removing one of our two defensive midfielders could make a big difference. As it is, you tend to get either Sissoko or Cabella trying to do too much on their own because there's not much forward movement in midfield. Another attacking player would probably open up more space for those two and we might get to see more pass and move as a result. Hoping Wijnaldum is going to help a lot with this too. As well as De Jong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Cabella's always worked hard for the team. He got dropped because he wasn't doing well going forward Total minutes played - Colback 3129 Cabella 1943 Cabella will do better than Colback with equal playing time. It's not even up for debate about him going forward, he played in dribs and drabs, much like Hatem was subjected too. hba always showed he was capable though, he would drive at players, produce things out of nothing. I've seen very little from cabella to show he's capable of the same. when he gets his chance next year, he must start producing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Cabella's always worked hard for the team. He got dropped because he wasn't doing well going forward Total minutes played - Colback 3129 Cabella 1943 Cabella will do better than Colback with equal playing time. It's not even up for debate about him going forward, he played in dribs and drabs, much like Hatem was subjected too. 1) I never compared him to Jack Colback 2) It's an insult to HBA to compare Cabella's treatment to his Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Of course he has some responsibility, but players need the right circumstances to thrive, and to be given a fair chance. Why does this apply to Cabella, and not Colback? Because Colback played pretty much every game last season and we know what he can offer. Cabella was ostracised fairly early under Pardew as he wasn't a "grafter" and didn't get back enough, so him given free roam to attack and not limited would be great. Cabella's always worked hard for the team. He got dropped because he wasn't doing well going forward Total minutes played - Colback 3129 Cabella 1943 Cabella will do better than Colback with equal playing time. It's not even up for debate about him going forward, he played in dribs and drabs, much like Hatem was subjected too. hba always showed he was capable though, he would drive at players, produce things out of nothing. I've seen very little from cabella to show he's capable of the same. when he gets his chance next year, he must start producing. @ thinking we'll ever have a player capable of HBA's skills again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 LOL let's not start with Mapou - the weak in the air central defender. I would also say Cabella as a signing wasn't what we needed. The fact that compartmentalise a player's traits to judge them in this way shows how little you actually understand the game of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 LOL let's not start with Mapou - the weak in the air central defender. I would also say Cabella as a signing wasn't what we needed. It wasn't because it was plain as day that your idol, who you appear keen on emulating, wouldn't be able to work him into being a player that was either used correctly or flourished, just like Marveaux, HBA, Anita and the other more technique based he was given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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