Kasper Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I can see how people would think he's a useful player if they don't pay much attention to our games and/or don't really understand the game of football. Probably applies to a large portion of the St. James' Park crowd though, unfortunately, which is why he's mysteriously liked by so many of our fans. Strange post. Not really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 We had a corner, he played it short and within seconds he was sending Rooney on a counter. Anita can't keep covering him and playing the two man midfield on his own. Colback positionally is up with the worst I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Jack who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I can see how people would think he's a useful player if they don't pay much attention to our games and/or don't really understand the game of football. Probably applies to a large portion of the St. James' Park crowd though, unfortunately, which is why he's mysteriously liked by so many of our fans. He was a weak link today, but good grief this self-righteousness There's a point there though. Many people watch football and they only see what happens in that space where the ball is. If Colback makes the occasional sliding tackle or block they think he was awesome. They don't see the bigger picture, how the players move without the ball, how and when they press the oppososition or when they take a step back and fall back to formation. It's sad but true. Anita does many things well that the average football fan doesn't ever see so they don't appreciate it. Isn't that a bit big headed, "I see things in a game many others dont" ? fwiw I've backed Anita, loved his tempo and such but has been poor when he's had his channces. Today seemed liked he'd came to grips with the premiership, purely IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Every game so far this season this idiot has lost the ball in a dangerous position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 He's fucking awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Apart from two great tackles on Mata and Rooney, he was terrible IMO. Miles away from the action for most of the game, and stupidly gave the ball away several times in dangerous positions. Completed 25 of 28 passes. I didn't see the first half but was good in the second IMO as was Anita In a black and white world stats like completion rate are wonderful, but when those alleged 3 misplaced passes have set up opportunities for the opposition and broke up good attacking moves, while the greater percentage of completed passes are backwards or sideways completion stats are fucking useless to show a player's effectiveness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I can see how people would think he's a useful player if they don't pay much attention to our games and/or don't really understand the game of football. Probably applies to a large portion of the St. James' Park crowd though, unfortunately, which is why he's mysteriously liked by so many of our fans. He was a weak link today, but good grief this self-righteousness There's a point there though. Many people watch football and they only see what happens in that space where the ball is. If Colback makes the occasional sliding tackle or block they think he was awesome. They don't see the bigger picture, how the players move without the ball, how and when they press the oppososition or when they take a step back and fall back to formation. It's sad but true. Anita does many things well that the average football fan doesn't ever see so they don't appreciate it. Isn't that a bit big headed, "I see things in a game many others dont" ? fwiw I've backed Anita, loved his tempo and such but has been poor when he's had his channces. Today seemed liked he'd came to grips with the premiership, purely IMO. You can call it big headed but its also the truth, purely IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Apart from two great tackles on Mata and Rooney, he was terrible IMO. Miles away from the action for most of the game, and stupidly gave the ball away several times in dangerous positions. Completed 25 of 28 passes. I didn't see the first half but was good in the second IMO as was Anita In a black and white world stats like completion rate are wonderful, but when those alleged 3 misplaced passes have set up opportunities for the opposition and broke up good attacking moves, while the greater percentage of completed passes are backwards or sideways completion stats are fucking useless to show a player's effectiveness. Exactly. At least 2 of those 3 were shite easy sideways passes that led to breaks for Man Utd. He's never ever good enough to play regularly for any team that wants to 'achieve' something. Scrapping, limited, bottom 5 player. A Sunderland player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Apart from two great tackles on Mata and Rooney, he was terrible IMO. Miles away from the action for most of the game, and stupidly gave the ball away several times in dangerous positions. Completed 25 of 28 passes. I didn't see the first half but was good in the second IMO as was Anita In a black and white world stats like completion rate are wonderful, but when those alleged 3 misplaced passes have set up opportunities for the opposition and broke up good attacking moves, while the greater percentage of completed passes are backwards or sideways completion stats are fucking useless to show a player's effectiveness. I agree tbh but as I said only saw second half and he didn't make any massive errors from what I saw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Not only is he weak but he's slow and undynamic as well which leaves him chasing shadows most of the time. Positionally all over the place. I don't how many times Manu came through the center and i was looking for that orange dot and was fucking nowhere where he should have been so many times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I can see how people would think he's a useful player if they don't pay much attention to our games and/or don't really understand the game of football. Probably applies to a large portion of the St. James' Park crowd though, unfortunately, which is why he's mysteriously liked by so many of our fans. He was a weak link today, but good grief this self-righteousness There's a point there though. Many people watch football and they only see what happens in that space where the ball is. If Colback makes the occasional sliding tackle or block they think he was awesome. They don't see the bigger picture, how the players move without the ball, how and when they press the oppososition or when they take a step back and fall back to formation. It's sad but true. Looks like the professionals like McClaren can't see it either. They really ought to come on here more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'm hoping it's more to new players bedding in, fitness of other players, etc. maybe 4-5 games down the line and we get a run of games we would be favourites to win, we'll see him out the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 He and Anita to lesser extent went missing far too often. They don't work together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 For me Colback doesn't look half the player Guthrie did and considering the later is struggling in the Championship it's a massive worry. It's hard to say what his role actually is. He isn't particularly creative, he seems miles away from players when closing down and he gets bullied in a defensive capacity. For all Anita has his critics on here, he was always snapping around the Man U players' heels yesterday trying to make tackles and interceptions, Colback seemed miles off the pace. If our aim is top 10 we're really going to struggle carrying a player in such an important position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 For me Colback doesn't look half the player Guthrie did and considering the later is struggling in the Championship it's a massive worry. It's hard to say what his role actually is. He isn't particularly creative, he seems miles away from players when closing down and he gets bullied in a defensive capacity. For all Anita has his critics on here, he was always snapping around the Man U players' heels yesterday trying to make tackles and interceptions, Colback seemed miles off the pace. If our aim is top 10 we're really going to struggle carrying a player in such an important position. Well said. You can't tell if he's on form or off form, because he's the kind of player that does absolutely nothing of note. Maybe he'll never really be off form precisely because what he does is extremely basic. I don't mind that in its essence, as long as this basic stuff actually contributes to getting positive results. At the moment it's a total waste of a shirt apart from a couple of last ditch tackles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for shit. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. They're not wrong... long term we need both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. They're not wrong... long term we need both. Long term you could argue we need players for every position. But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. They're not wrong... long term we need both. Long term you could argue we need players for every position. But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM [/quo I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. They're not wrong... long term we need both. Long term you could argue we need players for every position. But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM nah, you've got wini and sissoko who can drop in. if we lose a centre half we're Fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. They're not wrong... long term we need both. Long term you could argue we need players for every position. But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM o I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. They're not wrong... long term we need both. Long term you could argue we need players for every position. But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM nah, you've got wini and sissoko who can drop in. if we lose a centre half we're Fucked. Don't think they complement each other at all as pure central midfielders. So we need to drop one back and sign someone else to play alongside them, getting rid of both shithouses, not just one of them. It's like playing with 9 players at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 It's really not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten. In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for shit. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street. I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder. Hilarious stuff, Anita is considerably better at putting in a tackle and winning the ball imo. He generally just does it staying on his feet rather than a full blooded good old inglish tackle. Colback offers nothing defensively that Anita doesn't, he's all bluster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Not going to happen but he should be the player that gets dropped when Sissoko returns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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