Jack Colback (now a free agent)

[Ikon]

Colback will start ahead of Anita, it's written in fucking stone like!

[Skeletor]

Colback is the first name on the team sheet under Pardew. He started every pre-season game.

[Willow]

I agree, I really enjoy watching Anita play and would always prefer him over colback. I just wish we could play anita over 10 games in a row and see how his game improves/changes. He tends to play for a couple of games, then gets left out for a few, then in for a few in a weird position, then out, etc. It must be very frustrating.

 

Would love to see vurnon play with de jong, mainly due to their ajax connection, as vurn could sit back as siem pushed forward. That could work very well, I just hope alan gives it a go....but I won't hold my breath.

[KaKa]

I find Anita to be overrated on this site. Good player but there isn't that chasm in quality between him and Colback that people think.

 

Anita looks so much less effective in our side, because no one moves or makes themselves available for the pass like he does. He should be starting today alongside Colback, so just watch them both when our defenders have the ball, and are looking to pass forward.

 

His movement in this situations is so good, and once he gets it, he's lookign for the forward short pass quickly, while everyone is just sauntering around making it easy for the people marking them. Colback is particularly guilty of this from what I've seen so far.

 

Anita ideally should be in a midfield three, with people who move well, and look to play quicker shorter passes.

[Guest firetotheworks]

People who don't know that we signed de Jong.

 

De Jong who's been played exclusively as a supporting striker?

[Disco]

Anita is what happens when you buy players based on potential profit margins and age alone. He's been totally unsuited to the way we play since he arrived bar the odd game where he's played in a middle 3. He's a good player but he'll never fulfil what he could be under this management whereas Colback is probably at the peak of his powers, runs about a bit more and is a Pardew signing hence he'll probably get the nod more.

[Guest palnese]

God man replacement's don't have to 100% of cabaye to 100% of a replacement.

 

/neesy

[KaKa]

Agreed, Anita is certainly unsuited to our typical approach to games unfortunately. The thing is though, Colback so far hasn't seemed that suited either! He has hardly been able to get on the ball, or do anything of note going forward, so either way we're screwed. He definitely was able to far more with and on the ball last season for Sunderland. I think they both absolutely need someone else in there, in and around them to give them more support.

[KaKa]

De Jong is very versatile. Think he will play off of the front man, but will still be able to drop deep, and link play far more effectively than a Nolan.

[Stifler]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

[r0cafella]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

[Stifler]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

[r0cafella]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

[Stifler]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

 

[r0cafella]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

[Stifler]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

6 and two 3's to me if that is what happens. Anita can have good games, but a lot of the time he can be outmuscled off the ball, offers no threat from set pieces either by taking them or being in them.

[r0cafella]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

6 and two 3's to me if that is what happens. Anita can have good games, but a lot of the time he can be outmuscled off the ball, offers no threat from set pieces either by taking them or being in them.

You've surpassed yourself with this post mate.

[Stifler]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

6 and two 3's to me if that is what happens. Anita can have good games, but a lot of the time he can be outmuscled off the ball, offers no threat from set pieces either by taking them or being in them.

You've surpassed yourself with this post mate.

By having an alternative opinion and thinking the difference in quality between Anita and Colback isn't all that much. When will I learn that having an opinion other than the one of the majority on N-O isn't allowed?

 

I still maintain that he will be back up, if he is in replacement of Anita then I wouldn't be bothered, if it was instead of Tiote, or De Jong then yes I'd have a problem with it. People on here react like playing him will result in him causing us to lose every game.

[r0cafella]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

6 and two 3's to me if that is what happens. Anita can have good games, but a lot of the time he can be outmuscled off the ball, offers no threat from set pieces either by taking them or being in them.

You've surpassed yourself with this post mate.

By having an alternative opinion and thinking the difference in quality between Anita and Colback isn't all that much. When will I learn that having an opinion other than the one of the majority on N-O isn't allowed?

Was referring to your criticisms of Anita.

 

You can have whatever opinions you like for me but the original point was Colback will be a starter and given his lack of ability I'd prefer he wasn't.

[Stifler]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

6 and two 3's to me if that is what happens. Anita can have good games, but a lot of the time he can be outmuscled off the ball, offers no threat from set pieces either by taking them or being in them.

You've surpassed yourself with this post mate.

By having an alternative opinion and thinking the difference in quality between Anita and Colback isn't all that much. When will I learn that having an opinion other than the one of the majority on N-O isn't allowed?

Was referring to your criticisms of Anita.

 

You can have whatever opinions you like for me but the original point was Colback will be a starter and given his lack of ability I'd prefer he wasn't.

Anita has good games, but he is weak in a lot of areas. His height means that on set pieces he has a weakness, be it defending them or attacking them. I seem to remember a few times last season his height allowed for other to win the header against him rather easily. When attacking he can't gain the same height to get ahead of the defender, and him taking set pieces hasn't resulted in a decent ball into the box despite him having more promise than Cabaye taking them. On the ball I've seen him beaten for pace and outdone when in possession or challenging for possession a few times. He can pick out a good pass though and spread play well.

 

I think most people will agree that he has good games and can really be the hidden star in a match, but his constancy is not there.

[r0cafella]

Colback is starting today for the same reasons as to why he started games in pre-season. Because we had atleast 1 first team central midfielder out, sometimes 2 when Tiote and De Jong were not match fit or injured. It's the same reason as to why Rivere will start today as has done in pre-season, because Cisse is injured. It's the same reason as to why Obertan got so much game time in pre-season, because Cabella was not match for and for a  part of pre-season was on holiday.

 

Can't people atleast wait until we have a fully for squad to determine who the first 11 really is?

Are we really classing De Jong as an orthodox central midfielder now?

He's a central midfielder, even though he will be playing more advanced than our other central midfielders and just of the striker. The point is that he was injured or not match fit for some games at the same time as Tiote, so bearing that in mind you are going to need at east 1 back up midfield in the team to replace him (although this midfielder isn't going to be advanced or play exactly how he plays), guess who our back up central midfielder s? He's the guy who replaced last year's Gosling who was back up, yes, it's Colback.

Do you really believe that?

 

You really believe he came here from our biggest rivals to warm the bench?

Do we really have to have this debate again where I say it's not much of a big deal that he came from Sunderland since he's a boyhood Newcastle fan, then someone pulls out pictures of him over celebrating, then I or someone else says that he got carried away with peer pressure.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

No we don't because that's not the subject at hand.

 

The point is he will be starting out in central midfield imo and Anita will be warming the bench.

6 and two 3's to me if that is what happens. Anita can have good games, but a lot of the time he can be outmuscled off the ball, offers no threat from set pieces either by taking them or being in them.

You've surpassed yourself with this post mate.

By having an alternative opinion and thinking the difference in quality between Anita and Colback isn't all that much. When will I learn that having an opinion other than the one of the majority on N-O isn't allowed?

Was referring to your criticisms of Anita.

 

You can have whatever opinions you like for me but the original point was Colback will be a starter and given his lack of ability I'd prefer he wasn't.

Anita has good games, but he is weak in a lot of areas. His height means that on set pieces he has a weakness, be it defending them or attacking them. I seem to remember a few times last season his height allowed for other to win the header against him rather easily. When attacking he can't gain the same height to get ahead of the defender, and him taking set pieces hasn't resulted in a decent ball into the box despite him having more promise than Cabaye taking them. On the ball I've seen him beaten for pace and outdone when in possession or challenging for possession a few times. He can pick out a good pass though and spread play well.

 

I think most people will agree that he has good games and can really be the hidden star in a match, but his constancy is not there.

Colback is also on the smaller side though? And  in a team which was managed properly wouldn't be anywhere near taking set pieces.

 

The reason why this argument is bullshit though is because it doesn't actually matter and on this basis we'd be starting Raylor.

 

Anita can easily stay back when we are attacking setpieces and provide cover and stand on the posts when we are defending them.

 

As for footballing ability, tactical ability etc Anita is superior.

 

Colback is probly better in the tackle and slightly stronger physically but other than that.

 

 

[Stifler]

As I've said, I think the strengths and weaknesses in-between both players are minimal, and in which case it's same-ish in regards to who starts. I don't think 1 starting over another will cause us problems during the game, nor would it add anything different. If he starts ahead of Anita it wouldn't concern me (not that I think he will, but lets leave that to be found to be true or false as the season goes on and our players are back), but starting over others when fit would concern me.

[Guest Dontooner]

Looks more well rounded player then Tiote . At least passes forward. Anita and Jack looks quite comfortable together

[Guest palnese]

Looks a very decent player. Keeps it fairly simple.

[Minhosa]

Look forward to his corners turning to shit like Cabaye's did.