Zero Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Pardew and Ben Arfa are equally responsible for this s***. And i must say both Bellamy and Dyer are easier to manage than Hatem, at least they didnt fall out with EVERY managers they had. Pardew is s***, for sure. How about the other managers who've managed Hatem before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I think Hba would have more chance of replacing Gillespie than solano. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I dunno about best player as you can argue the likes of Cabaye are more rounded footballers but Ben Arfa's the most naturally talented we've had in the last decade by a mile IMO. The way the club is ran we wont get another player like him falling into our lap any time soon. Terribly frustrating and depressing situation all round. Yes this is exactly what I meant, spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 And i must say both Bellamy and Dyer are easier to manage than Hatem, Come on, man. Absolutely no way on earth you can make a claim like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 http://i62.tinypic.com/2hx953o.png Some of our fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 http://i62.tinypic.com/2hx953o.png Some of our fans. He is extremely undiciploned to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Talking to fans outside of this forum, the majority think he's a lazy bastard and deserves to be out of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yep, and a large amount of our fans still rate Pardew too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Again the question has to be - what would Robson or Keegan have done? Ben Arfa wasn't as badly behaved as Dyer or Bellamy yet it is more talented than the both of them. Both aforementioned managers would have built their teams around him. Bellamy and Dyer were consistently better than him (when on the pitch). I don't think Hatem would've got into the Keegan side. He'd take Solano's place in the Bobby side but by no means would the team be more geared to him than Shearer, Bellamy or Robert. Not sure consistency is a fair comparison tbh. HBA's consistency levels would undoubtedly be higher under a Keegan or a Robson and Dyer wouldn't have been as consistent (which wasn't exactly one of his strengths) under Pardew. KK and Bobby would have put an arm around HBA whenever he needed it. They'd have both played to his strengths, he'd have enjoyed the style of football both played and he'd have produced a lot more consistently with them as manager because of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Pardew and Ben Arfa are equally responsible for this s***. And i must say both Bellamy and Dyer are easier to manage than Hatem, at least they didnt fall out with EVERY managers they had. Pardew is s***, for sure. How about the other managers who've managed Hatem before? Agree with this. Pardew deserves stick for loads but a good Pro would have knuckled down and proved his manager wrong. I was at Everton for his debut and thought we had a world beater and I'd love nothing more for him to be that. Unfortunately he's not going to fulfill his full potential with us or IMO with anyone else. I've not heard any real dressing room support for him (have heard quite a bit negative) and yes, he has been hung out to dry in some games last season, Soton away for one, however, he's a well paid professional footballer and as a paying supporter I expect more from him, he's let the fans down. He's being made out to be a persecuted, flawed, genius and should be shown compassion and understanding to the nth degree. I'm really not sure what more the club could do. He's a grown man with a special talent and he's short changed us. It's time to take the Rose Tinted specs off, we can't off load him when we should be beating suitors off with a shitty stick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 He's tried loads, it makes no difference because he's not Pardew's type of player and is an easy scapegoat when things go wrong. Not surprised he's got to the stage he doesn't bother as much, I'd do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Pardew and Ben Arfa are equally responsible for this s***. And i must say both Bellamy and Dyer are easier to manage than Hatem, at least they didnt fall out with EVERY managers they had. Pardew is s***, for sure. How about the other managers who've managed Hatem before? Agree with this. Pardew deserves stick for loads but a good Pro would have knuckled down and proved his manager wrong. Proved him wrong in what sense? I don't see how that could have been possible. He'd have to change his game entirely (and become Gouffran/Jonas) to ever be a permanent presence in that man's team. When it's 1-0 and we're defending a lead at home to Norwich, Ben Arfa is persona non grata. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Talking to fans outside of this forum, the majority think he's a lazy bastard and deserves to be out of the team. The majority (at times) used to think the same about Laurent Robert. Suspect it's mainly the same clueless fuckwits this time round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Knuckling down and prove the manager wrong? Bit hard when he's done everything asked of him and Pardew is still acting like the egomaniac cunt he is. What has he done to let the fans down exactly? He hasn't done anything wrong. As for his history, how about Pardew's history? Which includes verbally abusing Pellegrini and headbutting a player. I'm sorry but you're talking out your arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Knuckling down and prove the manager wrong? Bit hard when he's done everything asked of him and Pardew is still acting like the egomaniac cunt he is. What has he done to let the fans down exactly? He hasn't done anything wrong. As for his history, how about Pardew's history? Which includes verbally abusing Pellegrini and headbutting a player. I'm sorry but you're talking out your arse. We have no idea about what's going on behind the scenes. It's been reported that Ben Arfa isn't very well liked within the squad for starters. I'm not saying that this isn't Pardew's fault, but I don't think Ben Arfa is as innocent as some might think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Talking to fans outside of this forum, the majority think he's a lazy bastard and deserves to be out of the team. The majority (at times) used to think the same about Laurent Robert. Suspect it's mainly the same clueless fuckwits this time round. Bang on, in fact there were plenty of "knowledgeable" pundits who also questioned Robert's work rate and Bobby Robson didn't give them the time of day. Pisses me off no end to see two great managers like Robson and Keegan being used to try and make a case against Ben Arfa. They were managers who knew how to coach teams and produce good football. The exact opposite of bullshit king Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Knuckling down and prove the manager wrong? Bit hard when he's done everything asked of him and Pardew is still acting like the egomaniac cunt he is. What has he done to let the fans down exactly? He hasn't done anything wrong. As for his history, how about Pardew's history? Which includes verbally abusing Pellegrini and headbutting a player. I'm sorry but you're talking out your arse. We have no idea about what's going on behind the scenes. It's been reported that Ben Arfa isn't very well liked within the squad for starters. I'm not saying that this isn't Pardew's fault, but I don't think Ben Arfa is as innocent as some might think. "Within the squad" is a fairly sweeping statement. If Dan Gosling and Rob Elliott didn't/don't like him, who gives a flying fuck? There doesn't appear to be a problem between him and the French lads, who, let's face it, are probably just about the majority. I'd bet any money you like that there's more within the squad who dislike the manager than dislike HBA. Also, there's people that we all work with that nobody likes, you've just got to fucking get on with it, you can't just ask the boss to tell them not to come in. This is meant to be the manager being professional and HBA being unprofessional is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Alan Oliver was the worst critic of Robert. Would consistently give him 4 or less in his ratings, even after that double against Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Knuckling down and prove the manager wrong? Bit hard when he's done everything asked of him and Pardew is still acting like the egomaniac cunt he is. What has he done to let the fans down exactly? He hasn't done anything wrong. As for his history, how about Pardew's history? Which includes verbally abusing Pellegrini and headbutting a player. I'm sorry but you're talking out your arse. We have no idea about what's going on behind the scenes. It's been reported that Ben Arfa isn't very well liked within the squad for starters. I'm not saying that this isn't Pardew's fault, but I don't think Ben Arfa is as innocent as some might think. "Within the squad" is a fairly sweeping statement. If Dan Gosling and Rob Elliott didn't/don't like him, who gives a flying fuck? There doesn't appear to be a problem between him and the French lads, who, let's face it, are probably just about the majority. I'd bet any money you like that there's more within the squad who dislike the manager than dislike HBA. Also, there's people that we all work with that nobody likes, you've just got to fucking get on with it, you can't just ask the boss to tell them not to come in. This is meant to be the manager being professional and HBA being unprofessional is it? Can't disagree with any of that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Alan Oliver was the worst critic of Robert. Would consistently give him 4 or less in his ratings, even after that double against Spurs. Alan Oliver is exactly the sort of fan that Ste will have been talking about when he said those outside the forum didn't rate Ben Arfa. Useless thick bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Not to mention Pardew and the board are known bullshitters who lie through the back of their teeth. I'd personally rather not side with anything they say or do, anything related to them is 100% bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 You dont need to support Hatem just for the sake of proving Pardew is shit. The point is, no matter how shit the manager is, you should do what he asked you to do on the pitch. He is asking you to do A, you think it is bullshit and do B instead, then why would you get picked the next match? This applies not only to football, but any job in this world: follow the instructions. The result would prove that he is wrong anyway since the manager is shit and you are right, isnt it? It makes no sense to ignore the instructions on the pitch. This is especially important in a team game. If Hatem is allowed to ignore the instructions, why would the others listen to the manager then? Dun throw out shits like Pardew is cunt shit idiot retard etc, this happened EVERY TIME when Hatem fell out with the managers. In the end, he is the one who suffer most. But that is down to him, not Pardew. By the way, the only one who publicly support Hatem is Cabaye (after joining PSG). None of the others do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Alan Oliver was the worst critic of Robert. Would consistently give him 4 or less in his ratings, even after that double against Spurs. Alan Oliver is exactly the sort of fan that Ste will have been talking about when he said those outside the forum didn't rate Ben Arfa. Useless thick bastards. It's like when you listen to 606 after any England game, about 80% of the callers will say that the main problem is that players/manager don't have enough passion. As a football public we love it here, passion, work-rate, get stuck in. It's best to work from a starting point that most people know fuck all about football imo, rather than taking a majority view and assuming that has any merit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Always find the critics of Ben Arfa are exactly the same type of people as Pardew. They'll always focus on the things he doesn't/can't do rather than see the things he can do. Pardew is the most negative prick in the world, constantly telling anyone who'll listen about the things the club/squad/players can't do. Can't do this, can't do that, can't do the other, everything is can't - it's inherently negative. Dopey cunts swallow all of the negatives and ignore the positives a fit and motivated Ben Arfa bring to a team. The ability to win a game of football with a good 5 minute spell, a goal out of nothing, a killer pass, a dip of the shoulder to create space to win a game is just ignored. He's a fat/lazy/unprofessional wanker - get fucking rid. They need wiping from the face of the earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddles mullet Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 He wouldn't pass the ball, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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