Guest firetotheworks Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 FWIW, I would actually try and get De Jong in the team, but it would be at the expense of either Anita or Colback, with Wini maybe sitting deeper, but that might upset the balance of the team, I dunno. I don't think Colback adds to any balance of our team. He's a warm body who gets a yellow card. Definitely, I meant more taking Wini out of a position that's working really well for us. That's probably a bad idea. We're desperate for a couple of new centre midfielders and centre backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 FWIW, I would actually try and get De Jong in the team, but it would be at the expense of either Anita or Colback, with Wini maybe sitting deeper, but that might upset the balance of the team, I dunno. I don't think Colback adds to any balance of our team. He's a warm body who gets a yellow card. Definitely, I meant more taking Wini out of a position that's working really well for us. That's probably a bad idea. We're desperate for a couple of new centre midfielders and centre backs. True. This is where I think you play Ayoze wide left and have him do the same stuff he's doing now but a little more rigid in he stays more on the left side, push Gini inside more and get him ghosting in around the box like he's done for us to score his goals. I like little Vurn, but the solution here is moving Sissoko or Wijnaldum central and signing a proper CM who can do both ends of the pitch work and cover for what could be 5 blitzing attackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Hope he keeps his place in the side for Villa, we will need his intelligent link up play. Was gutted for him when Cisse bloked his goalbound effort, he did so well to create the chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cort Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Dropping the player who's been involved in all of our goals, mint idea. The bloke who turns up for 4-5 games a season. Sissoko will go back to being shit in no time; the better option is for the other 4 to play and build an understanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 FWIW, I would actually try and get De Jong in the team, but it would be at the expense of either Anita or Colback, with Wini maybe sitting deeper, but that might upset the balance of the team, I dunno. I don't think Colback adds to any balance of our team. He's a warm body who gets a yellow card. Moving Wini inside would definitely upset the balance of the team like. Though saying that if there's a game to try it then it's against Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Dropping the player who's been involved in all of our goals, mint idea. The bloke who turns up for 4-5 games a season. Sissoko will go back to being shit in no time; the better option is for the other 4 to play and build an understanding. Shit = Losing the ball while trying to create things while nobody else creates anything Also 4-5 games a season is a lie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Not sure about this fella, looks a player but im not sure his style of play is suited to the hussle n bussle of the prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 He looks neat and tidy at times but then at other times completely overwhelmed by the pace and physicality of this league. Been lots better starting than as a sub though. Still no closer to making my mind up on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Dropping the player who's been involved in all of our goals, mint idea. The bloke who turns up for 4-5 games a season. Sissoko will go back to being s*** in no time; the better option is for the other 4 to play and build an understanding. Load of shite. He turns up more than most others in the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The more he plays the better I feel about backing him. We have a challenge fitting everyone in but I've no doubt now that he could do a good job in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I reckon there's no way McClaren will drop him (SdJ). He's had a massive influence on the team in general in the two matches he's started, and has certainly improved our shape between the lines with his link play. If Cisse will continue to start for us as the "senior striker" then I'd feel a lot better about de Jong being the one to play behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Dropping the player who's been involved in all of our goals, mint idea. The bloke who turns up for 4-5 games a season. Sissoko will go back to being shit in no time; the better option is for the other 4 to play and build an understanding. He's already turned up about 4-5 times this season and it's not even half way through. Regardless, as things stand I'd rather have the player that turns up 4-5 times a season or however many times, over the player who doesn't turn up at all ever. Until we have a better alternative, he stays in the team for me, comfortably so as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 FWIW, I would actually try and get De Jong in the team, but it would be at the expense of either Anita or Colback, with Wini maybe sitting deeper, but that might upset the balance of the team, I dunno. I don't think Colback adds to any balance of our team. He's a warm body who gets a yellow card. He's definitely the surplus player in the side, the only questions would be if De Jong replaced him would he put in the defensive work to replace Colback, and if not, can Anita cope with the extra work he would have to put in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 FWIW, I would actually try and get De Jong in the team, but it would be at the expense of either Anita or Colback, with Wini maybe sitting deeper, but that might upset the balance of the team, I dunno. I don't think Colback adds to any balance of our team. He's a warm body who gets a yellow card. He's definitely the surplus player in the side, the only questions would be if De Jong replaced him would he put in the defensive work to replace Colback, and if not, can Anita cope with the extra work he would have to put in? He already does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I reckon there's no way McClaren will drop him (SdJ). He's had a massive influence on the team in general in the two matches he's started, and has certainly improved our shape between the lines with his link play. If Cisse will continue to start for us as the "senior striker" then I'd feel a lot better about de Jong being the one to play behind him. I'm not sure how you judge this 'massive influence,' but in both the games he started, we scored when he went off. He's been decent at best, but no way should be in the team in place of Perez or Mitro. He's still slow, laboured and completely useless as a creative #10. That shot that Cisse block is the only creativity we've seen from him. Maybe he will link up better with Mitro and Perez, and Cisse has been the issue, which is why I'd be okay with continuing to have him get a run in the team and get more used to the league, but then he would have to play alongside Perez and Mitro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayno Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Out of interest, has he played up top with Perez this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I wonder if Perez could do a job on the left, allowing De Jong to stay in the side through the centre. Still not sure he's ever gonna be much use long-term, mind you. The potential of Perez and Mitrovic is just about the best thing about the squad, talent-wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Out of interest, has he played up top with Perez this season? Could be wrong but I don't think they've been on the pitch much together, usually De Jong coming on for Perez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Would probably do well as they're both intelligent players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Christmas tree proposed with Mitro up top and Perez/DeJong behind would be what I'd be looking at for the Villa game. Drop Colback and play Sissoko, Anita and Wijnaldum as the three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Christmas tree proposed with Mitro up top and Perez/DeJong behind would be what I'd be looking at for the Villa game. Drop Colback and play Sissoko, Anita and Wijnaldum as the three. Would like to see it. But we won't ever get it, because Colback won't get benched. I was thinking something kind of similar to Keegan's 4-3-3 that he played with Martins, Viduka and Owen up top. Owen (de Jong) actually went a bit deeper, Martins (Perez) was the runner and Viduka (Mitrovic) was the target man. I think we had a midfield 3 of Barton, Geremi and Butt. So whilst that was more solid. The 3 you propose certainly has more legs and ability on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I reckon there's no way McClaren will drop him (SdJ). He's had a massive influence on the team in general in the two matches he's started, and has certainly improved our shape between the lines with his link play. If Cisse will continue to start for us as the "senior striker" then I'd feel a lot better about de Jong being the one to play behind him. I'm not sure how you judge this 'massive influence,' but in both the games he started, we scored when he went off. He's been decent at best, but no way should be in the team in place of Perez or Mitro. He's still slow, laboured and completely useless as a creative #10. That shot that Cisse block is the only creativity we've seen from him. Maybe he will link up better with Mitro and Perez, and Cisse has been the issue, which is why I'd be okay with continuing to have him get a run in the team and get more used to the league, but then he would have to play alongside Perez and Mitro. I think his presence has helped Cisse and Anita tbh. Wijnaldum has also been slightly more involved in the general play than usual. This has led to us functioning better as a unit. His vision to play some of the simpler passes to help the team move up the pitch has been the main asset he's brought to the team. Ayoze tends to turn with the ball and drive forward but it doesn't allow the other to join in the build-up. That's no criticism of Ayoze, as they are different players with different strengths and styles. De Jong has a captain's calmness about him that has made us look more like a team while he's been on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Christmas tree proposed with Mitro up top and Perez/DeJong behind would be what I'd be looking at for the Villa game. Drop Colback and play Sissoko, Anita and Wijnaldum as the three. I just don't understand why this couldn't work. I can only assume it's because McClaren is scared that if Sissoko bombs forward then Gini and Anita would be too lightweight to defend if we lost possession. Really cowardly approach if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Christmas tree proposed with Mitro up top and Perez/DeJong behind would be what I'd be looking at for the Villa game. Drop Colback and play Sissoko, Anita and Wijnaldum as the three. I just don't understand why this couldn't work. I can only assume it's because McClaren is scared that if Sissoko bombs forward then Gini and Anita would be too lightweight to defend if we lost possession. Really cowardly approach if you ask me. Being kind he's been very cautious since he arrived, it'd be nice to see him use two wins and a game vs some strugglers to go for it a bit more and build some confidence but we'll probably come out scared of our own shadows with the same team or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 End of him now like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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