Guest firetotheworks Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 "Systems are for school-teachers in professional football. What I am big on is great players working their socks off. The game happens at such pace that it's all about intuition; if you have that you do not need much more." Guess who? Does he have irritating lips? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-4-2 just seems so archaic now. I think the game has outgrown it as nowadays you need that flexibility between systems at the top level. 4-4-2 is just so rigid and leaves you outnumbered in midfield against most opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Didn't we play wing backs on the last day of the season? Worked ok. 9 at the back does tend to help not concede for a while like. I don't know why people don't get it and keep coming up with silly formations. It will be 9 players in our own half, one striker up top and another striker on the left wing/left back. Tried and tested by Mourinho's pal and mentor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 "Systems are for school-teachers in professional football. What I am big on is great players working their socks off. The game happens at such pace that it's all about intuition; if you have that you do not need much more." Guess who? Not really? Edit: Ah, it's Souness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 We have 2 strikers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-4-2 just seems so archaic now. I think the game has outgrown it as nowadays you need that flexibility between systems at the top level. 4-4-2 is just so rigid and leaves you outnumbered in midfield against most opposition. At home with 2 decent wide players and a strong attacker of the ball or two it's a very good system. Both visually and in terms of effectiveness. Pardew's version is basically two defensive banks of 4 with the strikers helping to graft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-4-2 just seems so archaic now. I think the game has outgrown it as nowadays you need that flexibility between systems at the top level. 4-4-2 is just so rigid and leaves you outnumbered in midfield against most opposition. You serious bro? http://nbcprosoccertalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/x350110.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-4-2 just seems so archaic now. I think the game has outgrown it as nowadays you need that flexibility between systems at the top level. 4-4-2 is just so rigid and leaves you outnumbered in midfield against most opposition. You serious bro? http://nbcprosoccertalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/x350110.jpg Well obviously if you pack your team with quality thanks to a blank chequebook, and rely on the opposition letting the title slip, then it's an ok system. How did they do in Europe again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I've no doubt its been mentioned but remember losing 4-0 to Stoke with 3 at the back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-4-2 just seems so archaic now. I think the game has outgrown it as nowadays you need that flexibility between systems at the top level. 4-4-2 is just so rigid and leaves you outnumbered in midfield against most opposition. You serious bro? http://nbcprosoccertalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/x350110.jpg Well obviously if you pack your team with quality thanks to a blank chequebook, and rely on the opposition letting the title slip, then it's an ok system. How did they do in Europe again? With 442? They won two of their games and lost 1. Regardless of that, the champions of England were at their most dangerous in a 4-4-2 & I think we'll see more teams revert back to it next year, to call it 'outgrown' is just absurd. (For the record in a 4-4-2 they averaged 2.8 goals a game) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Man City may have lined up 4-4-2 but they moved all over the place, their starting formations didn't really matter as the movement and coaching had them popping up anywhere. Pardew's was rigid with no movement and the sole intention of not conceding, which always went well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberts Mustache Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-2-3-1 is basically just a 4-4-2 with two deeplying central midfielders and a second striker who drops down. If your main focus is what to call your formation on paper, I'm guessing your focus is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-2-3-1 is basically just a 4-4-2 with two deeplying central midfielders and a second striker who drops down. If your main focus is what to call your formation on paper, I'm guessing your focus is wrong. Aye, most formation are basically 4-4-2 in reality, with a couple of exception (4-3-3/4-5-1) and the 3 at the back systems. It's the movement that is the key to creating goals. Not just as Pardew thinks hard work alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 3-5-2 would probably work with tactically adept players that are well coached and matched. We have a shocking array of defensive players that I don't really want to play more of them. I would like to see us in a 4-3-3, however not sure how that would suit DeJong and not sure we have the right 3 centre mids for it. Under this clown we will never be decent in any formation because movement is not promoted and we are not capable of fluid football, preferring to defend at all cost (While conceding loads of goals) and not attacking with any degree of confidence. Bring on this season and the potential ruining of DeJong, Cabella etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 De Jong's probably well used to playing 4-3-3 at Ajax, I'd imagine he was at the point of the midfield triangle with two behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 De Jong's probably well used to playing 4-3-3 at Ajax, I'd imagine he was at the point of the midfield triangle with two behind him. It's pretty much the only formation they play at any level. He spent half the season there and the other half at centre forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Boy Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If Pardew goes 433 with the current squad it will be De Jong up front with Cabella and Gouffran either side, three of Tiote, Sissoko and Colback I would think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Rivière Cabella Ben Arfa de Jong Anita Sissoko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Don't have the players or manager for it. It's really that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Atletico Madrid won La Liga often playing 4-4-2. Likewise some of Real Madrid's best performances came in a 4-4-2. We don't have the personnel for 4-4-2 or the manager for 3-5-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 4-2-3-1 is basically a 4-4-1-1 in a team like ours anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 The best really can really pull off with this squad of players is probably some hybrid 4231/433 but again there's the Pardew issue that arises with any system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I think the World Cup showed that you don't necessarily need great individuals to carry out a 3-5-2 successfully. I mean look at Chile, their three CBs individually were seemingly quite poor and yet they were very successful. With the right coaching it could work, but obviously we don't have that I also think you need a commanding CB who can organise the others and obviously we're lacking that as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'm past caring to be honest. Pick any formation you like and we'll stink at it. We could sign Grenier, Lacazette, whoever the fuck you want really because by Christmas they'll be Gosling and Shola. Ashley's a cunt, Charnley's a cunt, Pardew's a cunt, Carr's probably a decent bloke but he works for cunts. It's all one big pile of shit and I don't want the season to start because this is the happiest we're all gonna be until next May when it's on hold again. The end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 LVG abandoned the Dutch 4-3-3 in favor of it at the World Cup. Looks like it worked for Man U last night. I can't stand the 4-2-3-1, so should we try it with the players at our disposal? http://38.media.tumblr.com/3604ab58f162495b382192deabb0d6d1/tumblr_muxq6cWtQr1sn7q0no1_400.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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