Guest H09 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Obertan to come off the bench and tear these cunts a new one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 What is the situation with Santon? I presume he is injured, but haven't heard much about him. I'd much prefer him to the other two options, especially if he can regain his form/confidence. Tiote's presence will be a massive miss with Toure and the other creative players they have in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I heard he's not back till September, earliest. Santon has his poor games, frequently, but he's by far our best LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Some bore will doubtless pop up and mention the Liverpool 0-6 to belittle Ronaldo and/or bring up my seemingly irrational hatred of Haidara, but he's suddenly a comfortable first choice LB in the minds of many on here and I for one have seen very little to suggest why that might be. Santon was crap last season in the majority of his appearances but he's better than the alternatives for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He is the only one of the three I have ever seen perform at a level befitting of a quality Premiership player (unfortunately not enough since the second half of 2012-13 when his confidence seemed to evaporate, culminating in some inexcusable matches last year). Haidara to me is just average. He has the athleticism to cover some of his faults, but he doesn't bring much to the team going forward or defending. Dummett is inadequate, unfortunately. He has no exceptional traits at this level. Santon should get one more chance to show himself here, tbh, and if he can't should be moved on for the good of the club (LB has become a problem position) and a player that like so many here is talented, but has regressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Liverpool have got a good spare LB. And don't give me that bullshit Tiote crap, everytime we play Man City he bends over and let's Toure roger him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He played well against City when we lost 2-1 to them in 2010, the day HBA got injured. Since then he's been abject against them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Santon is by far our best LB but his damn cutting in shit is about as annoying as the Tiote spin move Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He played well against City when we lost 2-1 to them in 2010, the day HBA got injured. Since then he's been abject against them. Scored a screamer at St. James Park last season that was controversially disallowed. I dont remember how he played apart form that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Santon is by far our best LB but his damn cutting in s*** is about as annoying as the Tiote spin move TBF he's always going to cut in from the left and I have no problem with that. My problem is that Gouffran is going to seek the inside as well and just congest it. We have no fluidity down the left and haven't had it for a long time and the problem for me usually isn't Santon but the player in front of him who always seem to be given more defensive responsibility than he should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Santon is by far our best LB but his damn cutting in s*** is about as annoying as the Tiote spin move TBF he's always going to cut in from the left and I have no problem with that. My problem is that Gouffran is going to seek the inside as well and just congest it. We have no fluidity down the left and haven't had it for a long time and the problem for me usually isn't Santon but the player in front of him who always seem to be given more defensive responsibility than he should. It's a canny point - Santon might work better behind an out-and-out winger like Aarons. Agree that he is our best left back by a distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Liverpool have got a good spare LB. And don't give me that bullshit Tiote crap, everytime we play Man City he bends over and let's Toure roger him Toure's going to need some Viagra, judging by the Community Shield. Famous last words obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Santon is by far our best LB but his damn cutting in s*** is about as annoying as the Tiote spin move TBF he's always going to cut in from the left and I have no problem with that. My problem is that Gouffran is going to seek the inside as well and just congest it. We have no fluidity down the left and haven't had it for a long time and the problem for me usually isn't Santon but the player in front of him who always seem to be given more defensive responsibility than he should. I do have a problem with it because he always, always does it, making him so predicable and easy to mark, it's unreal. For me, he hasn't progressed at all since coming here, his positional sense defensively is shocking at times, he is painful slow at making up loss ground when he has been caught wandering and he never hits the byline to mix it up a bit which makes him terribly one dimensional and at this level, that isn't good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Sounds desperate and will be lucky to be a sub: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/taylor-wants-to-make-amends-for-man-city-red-card-1-6784404 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Sounds desperate and will be lucky to be a sub: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/taylor-wants-to-make-amends-for-man-city-red-card-1-6784404 Not sure replacing it with an equally bad but more recent memory is such a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 “The boys are putting the graft in on the training pitch. The boys haven’t moaned about the travelling. We’ve got on with it.” It must be hell going to New Zealand all expenses paid to play two games of football after about 8 weeks off from a part time job, doing nowt, whilst getting paid a kings ransom to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 “The boys are putting the graft in on the training pitch. The boys haven’t moaned about the travelling. We’ve got on with it.” It must be hell going to New Zealand all expenses paid to play two games of football after about 8 weeks off from a part time job, doing nowt, whilst getting paid a kings ransom to do so. Everything's relative innit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 "We've got on with it" bloody hell, not as if you're playing for your boyhood club on massive wages. Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Santon is by far our best LB but his damn cutting in s*** is about as annoying as the Tiote spin move TBF he's always going to cut in from the left and I have no problem with that. My problem is that Gouffran is going to seek the inside as well and just congest it. We have no fluidity down the left and haven't had it for a long time and the problem for me usually isn't Santon but the player in front of him who always seem to be given more defensive responsibility than he should. I do have a problem with it because he always, always does it, making him so predicable and easy to mark, it's unreal. For me, he hasn't progressed at all since coming here, his positional sense defensively is shocking at times, he is painful slow at making up loss ground when he has been caught wandering and he never hits the byline to mix it up a bit which makes him terribly one dimensional and at this level, that isn't good thing. Santon on form is pretty damn good at times. He has good height and think that when he's feeling confident he looks strop. His attacking side though...He drives the ball forward, cuts in, passes it, or his cross hits the first man. That's about his attacking expertise summed up for me. I haven't a clue how he'd do behind a left footed left winger, but I'll be damn sure that I know that as soon as he loses steam going up, he'll cut inside, and lay it off to a central midfielder or cross it and it'll hit the first man in the box and be cleared away. Mind you, Haidara and Dummett try to get space on the left and deliver a cross - albeit nothing extremely amazing or exciting out of the two. MH has good pace on him and sometimes can work in a good low or driven cross. PD has actually a good left peg on him but tougher for him to get space to deliver anything worth a damn. I'd still rather take a Janmaat type signing and have Santon/Haidara/Dummett compete for backup, reserve, and who should be sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 There will always be doubts when a right footed player plays left back. If he's fit I'd look at the trying to get Enrique back on loan. Must be third choice for the dippers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Everyone's opinion on Santon, except maybe Ronaldo's, properly does my head in. "Always cuts in", "he's a right back", "play him in midfield", "Left backs should be left footed" I dunno why it's always the same nonsense based on nothing. He's a naturally talented footballer that's defending has deteriorated and most of his game has remained exactly the same. He's still probably our best left back, but is just another example of young talent going absolutely nowhere under NUFC and under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I personally just simply don't rate Santon at this point in time, he looked promising but hasn't really improved at all. That's not me writing him off completely, I'm just disappointed he hasn't reached his potential (yet). I'd be delighted to see him come good but I'd like to see Haidara given a shot for a run of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 None of the three left backs we have are the real deal. Santon can carry the ball well up to a certain point but in the final third he can't deliver. Haidara can put in some very decent crosses but I'm not sure he's good enough defensively. Dummett is a just a stopper of limited ability. Of the three I would think Haidara can be turned into a very good left back but that would have to be somewhere else where there are qualified coaches to give instruction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Santon is by far our best LB but his damn cutting in shit is about as annoying as the Tiote spin move He's the anti-Robben. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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