Darth Crooks Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The bottom half of the premier league has been utter dross for a while. We've been very fortunate not to get dragged in. 3 points not gained from a vital assist from his nemesis hatem Ben arfa would have seen us finish below crystal palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 We looked far less than the sum of our parts for much of his time here, regularly being smashed by less talented squads and offering little/no joy when we did win. Our league placings weren't good whatsoever when you take into account the quality he had at his disposal, obviously the 5th place finish aside. And then there's the cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Forgetting everything else, his results have been garbage everywhere since Reading. West Ham, Charlton, and Southampton fans didn't want him gone because he was off fucking blokes wives abroad, or his players' girlfriends, or even the collective reasons we all hate him for. They wanted him gone purely because he's absolutely garbage at managing a football club. On a decent little run for Palace though so we must have just imagined up his entire career, he's actually really mint, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 We looked far less than the sum of our parts for much of his time here, regularly being smashed by less talented squads and offering little/no joy when we did win. Our league placings weren't good whatsoever when you take into account the quality he had at his disposal, obviously the 5th place finish aside. And then there's the cups. I don't think last season was a massive under-achievement at all league wise. I think we had the 9th best squad in the league imo and finished 10th. We certainly couldn't flog our players for the prices Southampton did. Do people genuinely think last seasons squad should've finished much higher? It basically had the same awful CB pairings. Same this season, league wise we where at the level of the squad we had when he left. He broke records for incompetency going right back to the formation of the football club. This is true. And I mentioned he would've been sacked elsewhere for those. But can you admit, he bounced back on both occassions? 6 league wins in a row was it? He also had a record-breaking defensive run. We broke some long-term ducks. Let's just look at the full picture. Results did back it up you pleb. But overall, they didn't. That's my point - the league placings overall where okay. So the vitroil towards him is not based on results, its personal. I already said he would've been sacked twice by most teams but he recovered some what each time. Christ, you really do talk an unmitigated amount of raw sewerage like. 'Not based on results' Here man, it was based on everything. The results, the football, the tactics, the team selections, the excuses, the lies, the bullshit, the dumbing down of expectations, the dumbing down of us as fans, the perpetuation of myths, the blame, the hypocrisy, the contradictions and yes, him as a person. This idea that you seem to have that he recovered somewhat is genuinely laughable, even for you. This for me, is at its core. And it's disgusting. But I genuinely believe it comes from above and is a part of the job description. Carver's down the same route but worse. I have a bad feeling, the next man will have to follow suit. For the last couple of years we have been midtable and not participating in cup competitions (longer actually). Do I believe this will change in the next 2-3 years under Ashley? Nope. Under a better manager, we could be 8th. If we where Swansea - would I be happy with the club? Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 To be honest - I thought he would relegate us with our current squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Can someone show me we're these erudite points are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Erudite? More like eruSHITE! http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/202134/kids-dancing-to-crazy-frog-o.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Imagine, as an alleged NUFC fan, taking time out of your day to stick up for Alan 'king of the cunts' Pardew. Sickening, should be sectioned for his own safety and the sake of my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Incandenza Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost more games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Well he facilitated the almost complete destruction of my love for the club so I'm of the opinion he was 'that bad'. But that's just me. I finished college. Oooof, low blow. http://i.imgur.com/LCfdnZt.jpg What were you thinking posting this, man? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Why is this even a thing? Pardew was poor to useless in every way a manager shouldn't be, yes he's on a good run with Palace, just like he did well when he first came here, but that doesn't change what he became. There's no defending him as Manager of Newcastle United, he's a shit manager and will return to form soon enough. Come back and make your "erudite" points this time next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He wasn't particularly amazing when he first took over here like, only won 5 of 21 (after the Liverpool game that the players dedicated to Hughton) and went out of the Cup in the third round to Stevenage. Finished 5th the season after of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He wasn't particularly amazing when he first took over here like, only won 5 of 21 (after the Liverpool game that the players dedicated to Hughton) and went out of the Cup in the third round to Stevenage. Finished 5th the season after of course. Fair enough, he's still shit like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Butchered your delivery there KI. Whoosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Butchered your delivery there KI. Whoosh. You mean w'oosh of course. Every time I see TCD abbreviating words and generally posting his shite, I think of one word: non'se. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 My mackem mate has asked if I regret helping Pardew out after seeming Palace over take us. Told him it doesn't matter if he's a blinding success at Palace and they finish top half, the job he done here was desperate. F'nado Torres (TCD, 2015) is a decent example, was ace at Liverpool, absolutely diabolical at Chelsea. Doesn't mean either set of fans were wrong for forming the world class then dogshit opinions based on what they seen infront of them at the time at the respective clubs. Pardew is, was, and always has been shit at NUFC. And I am under the belief it will come full circle at Palace eventually. Just a matter of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 My mackem mate has asked if I regret helping Pardew out after seeming Palace over take us. Told him it doesn't matter if he's a blinding success at Palace and they finish top half, the job he done here was desperate. F'nado Torres (TCD, 2015) is a decent example, was ace at Liverpool, absolutely diabolical at Chelsea. Doesn't mean either set of fans were wrong for forming the world class then dogshit opinions based on what they seen infront of them at the time at the respective clubs. Pardew is, was, and always has been shit at NUFC. And I am under the belief it will come full circle at Palace eventually. Just a matter of time. A good example is a turd. It's a turd, no matter whether it's floating or sinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost more games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. LOL.. one won over twice the amount of games. Are you just going to ignore that little statistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 It highlights how marginal and unsustainable the approach was. A narrow win or get hammered, relegation style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Incandenza Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost more games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. LOL.. one won over twice the amount of games. Are you just going to ignore that little statistic? Thats my whole point. Our wins were incongruous with our performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost morey games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. LOL.. one won over twice the amount of games. Are you just going to ignore that little statistic? Isolating one statistic to prove a point is petty to say the least when the other statistics tell the real story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The real story is the points on the board. It was top 6 form for half the season, then bottom 6 form for the other. That's the whole story. Went to Old Trafford.. won 1-0 and we deserved it. The reverse fixture, we were awful and got spanked 0-4 or something. Like I mentioned up thread - that's pretty much the nature of that season. We were not lucky in the first half of that season. It mirrored the 5th season in many ways.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Other then never actually being in 5th place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Bottom 6 form is putting it mildly. We got 16 points from the final 19 league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 We squeaked many results marginally, unconvincingly, and often undeservedly during the good runs including the season we were 5th. What's your point? Playing like that, your luck always runs out. Part of the reason people talk about the style of play, other than it being almost unbearable to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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