Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Some of the excuses for why Pardew is a shit manager on this forum are fucking ridiculous. Anyone care to mention a better manager we've had at this club over the last 20 years Robson and Keegan excluded? Things are by no means perfect at this club at the moment, but the Dalgleish, Gullit, Souness, Allardyce and Kinnear years were fucking horrendous. Roeder's term was slightly better but still overwhelmingly average and who knows where we would have ended up now if Hughton had kept the job, but I doubt we'd be doing much better. We're 7th in the league and half the members of this board want us to lose so that Pardew is sacked. I can understand wanting your team to lose so the manager gets sacked when we're lower mid-table, but we're one win away from third and the mass hysteria on this board seems a little bit melodramatic. Why Keegan and Robson excluded? Fucking ridiculous thing to say. "Who's been better than Pardew in the last 20 years?" I could name one that's been better from within the last 4 years and 3 days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's not a matter of being a 'Pardew fan'. My attitude was that he should have another season in which to prove himself, because over the previous two years there had been problems that weren't of his making. (eg Kinnear) I wanted to see if he could get the team improving again, and playing better football. So the time to assess that wasn't at the end of September, of even now, but in May, where you can take stock not just of the final result, but all the inevitable ups and downs along the way. But I would say, so far so good. This team is definitely improving, in terms of individual performances and overall cohesion. Tbf, dealing with problems of the making of others (players underperforming or getting suspended, referees, chairmen, "injury gods") is a large part of the job description of a football manager, and he's not very good at it. Also I'd argue he's had many problems of his own making. He spent last November/December touting Cabaye around whenever he got the chance to speak in public like a desparate pimp with an ugly hooker then whinged on until after the start of this season when he was sold. Already started with Sissoko this week as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Putting Pardew in contrast to NUFC managers of the past 20 years is in no way a representation of his ability. Kinnear, Roeder, Dalglish and Gullit were fucking horrible appointments, on par with Pardew. In terms of recruitment, he's benefited from the best set-up we've had in my time supporting the club. He has us staying up because when his ability fails him, he's given new tools. Everything the club does is done with the purpose of keeping him in the job. We haven't done that for any other manager. In fact, I wonder if any club has ever done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Things Pardew does well: - Generally has the team set up in a solid shape. - Has managed to not get us relegated. - Has the backing of the players, for whatever reason. - Creates a good team spirit. Problems outside of Pardew's control: - Kinnear being brought in and not signing anyone. - The selling policy of the club. Things Pardew has done to exacerbate those problems: - Not doing a good enough job with the existing players, and signing rubbish himself such as Obertan. - Constantly touting our players to other clubs and saying things like 'it's tough for a club our size to hold onto these players'. Problems Pardew has brought on himself: - Numerous instances of touchline thuggery. - Failing to develop any kind of plan B to change games. - Failed to improve any player during his time here. - Abysmal record in the Derby. - Inability to communicate coherently at any time. - Alienating the most talented player we've had at the club for years. - Blaming random elements for underwhelming results. - Sucking Mike Ashley's knob at every opportunity. - After 4 years, he can only produce an attacking plan based on 'luck' and 'that little bit of magic'. - Celebrates every goal like he's Eric Cantona. Which list is longer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Paddy Barclay's written another Pardew article for the Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2292969-alan-pardew-successfully-tackles-premier-league-big-guns-to-rejuvenate-newcastle?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-UK). I want to respond to him, but I know it'll get me nowhere.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I pray everyday that his next job is the England job, so that every football fan in this country can get what they deserve for running their mouths about the great job he is doing at Newcastle. I cannot wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Newcastle not winning - nothing to do with Pardew Newcastle winning - everything to do with Pardew It's so fucking exhausting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Things Pardew does well: - Generally has the team set up in a solid shape. - Has managed to not get us relegated. - Has the backing of the players, for whatever reason. - Creates a good team spirit. Problems outside of Pardew's control: - Kinnear being brought in and not signing anyone. - The selling policy of the club. Things Pardew has done to exacerbate those problems: - Not doing a good enough job with the existing players, and signing rubbish himself such as Obertan. - Constantly touting our players to other clubs and saying things like 'it's tough for a club our size to hold onto these players'. Problems Pardew has brought on himself: - Numerous instances of touchline thuggery. - Failing to develop any kind of plan B to change games. - Failed to improve any player during his time here. - Abysmal record in the Derby. - Inability to communicate coherently at any time. - Alienating the most talented player we've had at the club for years. - Blaming random elements for underwhelming results. - Sucking Mike Ashley's knob at every opportunity. - After 4 years, he can only produce an attacking plan based on 'luck' and 'that little bit of magic'. - Celebrates every goal like he's Eric Cantona. Which list is longer? Many things i do not like about how the club is run, but I find it a bit difficult to critize our selling policy. The caroll offer was so silly i do not blame them for selling....however do blame them for not replacing him. Ba wanted to leave. Got ok money for him Cabaye wanted to leave + we made a good deal. Its not our selling policy that is the problem but our buying policy. If we invested more - especially after we ended 5th were we where so close to the top as possible (like spurs maybe). Then players like Ba and Cabaye wouldn´t be in such a hurry to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 You can't treat buying and selling as separate to each other. One directly impacts the other at this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 i his 4 years we've sold carroll, cabaye, ba and debuchy afaik....what i mean is in support of the "always has his best players sold" argument...have i missed anyone? that's one a fucking season and 2 of them were replaced with better players while 3 of them wanted to leave (2 of them almost to the point of public embarrassment) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 How can not getting us relegated be seen as a positive ffs? We should be nowhere near the relegation positions, the fact we have been at times is completely on Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 You can't treat buying and selling as separate to each other. One directly impacts the other at this club. Almost agree. Actually i like our buying policy - if only we brought in more players and bended the "rules" once in a while. We start to see some youngsters coming through - hopefully much more in the future coz that is very pleasing and satisfying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 i his 4 years we've sold carroll, cabaye, ba and debuchy afaik....what i mean is in support of the "always has his best players sold" argument...have i missed anyone? that's one a f***ing season and 2 of them were replaced with better players while 3 of them wanted to leave (2 of them almost to the point of public embarrassment) It's beyond ridiculous He's had more talent than anyone since Robson yet he acts like he's scraping the barrel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 How can not getting us relegated be seen as a positive ffs? We should be nowhere near the relegation positions, the fact we have been at times is completely on Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 i his 4 years we've sold carroll, cabaye, ba and debuchy afaik....what i mean is in support of the "always has his best players sold" argument...have i missed anyone? that's one a f***ing season and 2 of them were replaced with better players while 3 of them wanted to leave (2 of them almost to the point of public embarrassment) It's beyond ridiculous He's had more talent than anyone since Robson yet he acts like he's scraping the barrel. yet another stinking pile of bullshit he's just allowed to get away with and all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieT Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's simple for me. He has been here four years now and yet, a brief flirtation with Europe aside I don't think we have really achieved anything. If Pardew was to pack his bags tomorrow, has he brought the club forward in anyway? I think you can only answer yes to that if you believe he has had a strong hand in our transfer policy, which just is not the case. Maybe we are starting to see signs of promise from the academy, but I am loathe to give him any credit for that given that he has also stalled the careers of a number of talented youngsters. There is no discernible style to our play and for all the rhetoric of 'stability' we teeter constantly from moderate peaks to unacceptable troughs. Unfortunately Pardew is the perfect manager for Ashley, but I would still sack him tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Newcastle not winning - nothing to do with Pardew Newcastle winning - everything to do with Pardew It's so fucking exhausting. Oh, the irony. I suspect that a huge proportion of Football Manager players would run rings around most "top" managers if it weren't for the fact that the players wouldn't take notice of them since they had no background in football. Aye, and if they gave me a car I reckon I'd be able to well beat that Lewis Hamilton, I piss it round Monaco in F1 2014. I realised a long time ago that the ability to play at being a manager (and inevitably do well at it in the game) is what makes a lot of people think the job is a piece of piss, and also gives some people an over-inflated idea of the magical transformational effects of formations & tactics on players' abilities. I never actually thought I'd see someone go this far and admit they think these games are anything like real life though unless it was one of the usual suspect forum dunces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Newcastle not winning - nothing to do with Pardew Newcastle winning - everything to do with Pardew It's so fucking exhausting. Oh, the irony. That wouldn't be ironic, it would be hypocritical. Nor is it, through wins draws and losses, we play exactly the same way with the same tactics and the same gameplan. Stay in position, try and nick a goal through a 'bit of magic' then defend for our lives and try and hit them on the break. Our turn around in form is due to injuries forcing him to stop playing his blue chip players. Sissoko moving into the middle being the biggest factor (something anyone with a brain has been screaming out for since he signed) There's no doubt in my mind he'll revert to type and move it around to fit in his ego and undo this form, it's how he is. You only need to look at the difference between the end of 11/12 and the start of 12/13 to see just how much he's happy to fuck around with a winning formula. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The concept of Alan Pardew deserving another season to prove himself is absolutely fucking disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I suspect that a huge proportion of Football Manager players would run rings around most "top" managers if it weren't for the fact that the players wouldn't take notice of them since they had no background in football. Aye, and if they gave me a car I reckon I'd be able to well beat that Lewis Hamilton, I piss it round Monaco in F1 2014. I realised a long time ago that the ability to play at being a manager (and inevitably do well at it in the game) is what makes a lot of people think the job is a piece of piss, and also gives some people an over-inflated idea of the magical transformational effects of formations & tactics on players' abilities. I never actually thought I'd see someone go this far and admit they think these games are anything like real life though unless it was one of the usual suspect forum dunces. What an absolute pile of shit. Utter fucking drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The concept of Alan Pardew deserving another season to prove himself is absolutely fucking disgusting. yeah, it made some sense 18 months ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 We finished 10th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I agree whole heartedly with that statement on FM players. Think ikri would be shockingly accurate if we could somehow test that theory out. As he rightly states though, the issue would be dealing with the pompous and equally thick players, who would rile at being instructed by someone who hadn't had a career in football themselves. Are there any English managers at the minute who didn't play football themselves coming up? Out of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I don't think FM players would necessarily be much cop like It's essentially a program that people exploit after years and years of getting to grips with how it works. Anyone with a genuine deep knowledge of the game - not just the kids who sit on wikipedia all day and then spout random facts from 19th century FA Cup finals - but people who study the game tactically, would likely be a better manager than Alan Pardew if they had the charisma and were lucky enough to find a way in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 You need to have studied the game for years and been involved at the top level to understand that playing Shola Ameobi right wing is a bad idea like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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