KaKa Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And then proceed to play Cisse there too ..., for multiple games. No, not just one game, but numerous games. Cisse on the right for numerous games of football. Someone who mostly looks like he can't actually play the game outside of the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And then proceed to play Cisse there too ..., for multiple games. No, not just one game, but numerous games. Cisse on the right for numerous games of football. Someone who mostly looks like he can't actually play the game outside of the box. Nobody will ever be able to explain how any human could think that decision was the best one IMO. It's just not possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I cringe at the whole 'he's mint on FM' thing, nor do I think that FM players would be better than managers at all, but as an interesting side note, hasn't Mourihno admitted to using FM for real life scouting and real life tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 This discussion has taken a strange turn. One is a computer game and the other is real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Yes, and yet the daft owld cunts always like to roll it out as a reason why the young 'uns don't know shit. While they plod along furiously masturbating to our monstrously negative "hard-working" "style" of "football". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I have no doubt that 99% of normal fans would fail at Football management, but it's not because they're all too thick or lack some innate ability. Pardew isn't exactly a genius and he struggles to speak English most of the time. The fans with the required intelligence though would probably be at least as good as Pardew given his same experiences in Football. He doesn't have some innate ability at management that's for sure. There's plenty of good managers who were never top level players as well, Mourinho being the best example. He played to a reasonable level, but most people with an interest in Football will play to some level and become familiar with the same basics. It all comes down to what the person in question chooses to do after that to get the experience required. Having a well rounded education gives more perspective, as well as showing some level of intelligence. Then it's Football education and Football coaching experience that become important. So for me most Football Manager players would be awful at the job (obviously), but mostly because they don't have the relevant real world Football knowledge, experience and respect in the game to do the job. Pardew has the experience and respect (somehow), but it's his Football knowledge and intelligence that is seriously in question all the time. Every time he makes a standardised sub set by his watch (he admitted this with Cisse at the weekend, he did it based on a pre game plan rather than the game situation) and every time he plays a hard working striker on the wing to back his negative game theories, he proves he's nothing more than a Football charlatan who is very lucky to have had the jobs he's had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 This discussion has taken a strange turn. One is a computer game and the other is real life. ...and? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 wasn't UV quite sensible at one point? that was a hot mess of a post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 at Cronky being the one telling everybody to start living in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 at Cronky being the one telling everybody to start living in the real world. This despite his backing of a manager that wanks over stats rather than using their gut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 at Cronky being the one telling everybody to start living in the real world. This despite his backing of a manager that wanks over stats rather than using their gut. No chance of getting it in your belly button if you use stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Bringing a game into it undermines a perfectly reasonable viewpoint - that there's no reason why being a player gives anybody an advantage as a manager over Joe Bloggs who decides to do a coaching course, beyond a) the intricacies of how football operates off the pitch and b) possible issues with respect from the players at first. These two things are much the same as anyone starting a new job doing something they've not done before, and aren't permanent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 This discussion has taken a strange turn. One is a computer game and the other is real life. Cronky laying down some TRUTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Bringing a game into it undermines a perfectly reasonable viewpoint - that there's no reason why being a player gives anybody an advantage as a manager over Joe Bloggs who decides to do a coaching course, beyond a) the intricacies of how football operates off the pitch and b) possible issues with respect from the players at first. These two things are much the same as anyone starting a new job doing something they've not done before, and aren't permanent. I would say someone who has been involved with the game as a player for instance woudl have or could have worked with a number of managers and coaches over the length of their career where they coul dhave picked up some great experience. But they would have to have the personality, people skills and respect to use those experiences and ideas they have grown over the course of their career. People coming into the game such as Jose and doing a fantasic job is very rare. Dont rule out the experices a player might pick up over the course of a 15 year career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Bringing a game into it undermines a perfectly reasonable viewpoint - that there's no reason why being a player gives anybody an advantage as a manager over Joe Bloggs who decides to do a coaching course, beyond a) the intricacies of how football operates off the pitch and b) possible issues with respect from the players at first. These two things are much the same as anyone starting a new job doing something they've not done before, and aren't permanent. People coming into the game such as Jose and doing a fantasic job is very rare. As a proportion, really? I'd say that compared to the amount of ex-players who come into coaching/management, the amount of managers at a fairly high level who had either no playing career or played at a low level is actually incredibly high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's really not that rare is it? Off the top of my head there are Mourinho, Wenger, Houllier, Villas Boas, Sven who were all either never players or were never at the heights they were/are as managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's really not that rare is it? Off the top of my head there are Mourinho, Wenger, Houllier, Villas Boas, Sven were all either never players or were never at the heights they were/are as managers. They still played the game at fairly decent level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 They didn't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's really not that rare is it? Off the top of my head there are Mourinho, Wenger, Houllier, Villas Boas, Sven were all either never players or were never at the heights they were/are as managers. They still played the game at fairly decent level. None of them except Sven did out of those listed and even then, he didn't really. He played in the Swedish lower tiers for 10 years. The rest didn't play any football at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's really not that rare is it? Off the top of my head there are Mourinho, Wenger, Houllier, Villas Boas, Sven were all either never players or were never at the heights they were/are as managers. They still played the game at fairly decent level. None of them except Sven did out of those listed and even then, he didn't really. He played in the Swedish lower tiers for 10 years. The rest didn't play any football at all. Im sure Wenger played at a "level" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Wenger only played for amateur clubs. Benitez is another - played for reserve sides and retired at 26. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Brendan Rodgers never played either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Wenger only played for amateur clubs. He still played the game and game from inside the game. Its not like he had a change of career. of manag For all those managers listed above. You could name plenty of managers who have achieved "success" who came through a playing career to a management career. Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Kenny Dalgliesh, George Graham, Terry Venables, Pep Guadiola, Roberto Martinez, David Moyes Sam Allardyce, Alan Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Brendan Rodgers never played either. Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury. If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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