Zero Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Not arguing about his shitness, but I think most of the people here have to accept that "Pardew is a good British manager" and "Newcastle didn't treasure him enough" will be the common opinion in the football world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Heza09 is bang on the nose. Pardew was just a symptom of the bigger cancer. He's left and it's been business as usual. Nothing has changed. The core problem remains. You see, in the 4 years he was here I thought the core problems were the s*** football that completely drained my interest in the game, a pointless brush with relegation, 4 consecutive defeats to the mackems, and the mistreatment of any player who looked to muster up even the smallest amount of excitement. Pardew was only here for so long because of the underlying problem - Mike Ashley. If any of those things mattered to Ashley (apart from the relegation battle I don't think he does), Pardew would've been gone. IN the end he was basically sold - so there isn't anything to indicate a change in mentality from above. Fact is - the important people running the club consider a midtable finish a success for the club. Pardew managed it most of his time here and they where satisfied with his performance. When we get someone new in, the same definition of success would remain. The new man will have to rise above expectations of his employer to do anything meaningful. If they thought Carver could deliver midtable finishes consistently they would hire him in an instant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 It all just adds to the evidence and argument that Ashley is the main c*** that needs removing and that's my main point. Pardspew was s*** for us but it was compounded by the fact everyone above him were bigger c***s. Don't think he could have done much of a worse job overall with the players at his disposal, so not sure whether your point is even worth discussion tbh. I'm not defending Pardspew. I am merely stating that he is just one of the symptoms of the Ashley cancer that has infested the club. Well we have a separate thread where you can abuse Ashley this one is for lambasting the fraud, not offering mitigating circumstances for the cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 It all just adds to the evidence and argument that Ashley is the main c*** that needs removing and that's my main point. Pardspew was s*** for us but it was compounded by the fact everyone above him were bigger c***s. Don't think he could have done much of a worse job overall with the players at his disposal, so not sure whether your point is even worth discussion tbh. I'm not defending Pardspew. I am merely stating that he is just one of the symptoms of the Ashley cancer that has infested the club. Well we have a separate thread where you can abuse Ashley this one is for lambasting the fraud, not offering mitigating circumstances for the cunt. Spot on Pointless splitting the debate in here, everyone obvious knows Ashley is a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Let's see. 1. Horrible football. 2. Tactically awful and horrendously coached. 3. Constantly shows a negative attitude to games. 4. Awful record and constantly lost the derby. 5. Showed an inability to manage anyone with or sort of talent as shown by Tevez and Mascherano fiasco too. 6. Shown an inability to improve players and constantly played players out of position. All Mike Ashley's fault apparently, poor old Alan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Let's see. 1. Horrible football. 2. Tactically awful and horrendously coached. 3. Constantly shows a negative attitude to games. 4. Awful record and constantly lost the derby. 5. Showed an inability to manage anyone with or sort of talent as shown by Tevez and Mascherano fiasco too. 6. Shown an inability to improve players and constantly played players out of position. All Mike Ashley's fault apparently, poor old Alan. I don't think anyone is defending Pardew here. I'm certainly not. But none of those things matter so he wasn't held accountable for that. For some reason the Wham way matters to their owners. They invsted in the team. And asked their manager for a more pro-active approach in matches. Things picked up. The most important people at football clubs are the owners/Chairmen with a few exceptions. They are largely responsible for the success or failures of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You said nothing will change while Ashley is here, I'd argue correcting a few of those listed problems changes things quite a lot and any half decent coach could do so. Ashley is utterly shite yes we know but that doesn't stop the on the pitch product for being utterly offensive to any self respecting fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Palace vs Sunderland FA cup final is on the cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Let's see. 1. Horrible football. 2. Tactically awful and horrendously coached. 3. Constantly shows a negative attitude to games. 4. Awful record and constantly lost the derby. 5. Showed an inability to manage anyone with or sort of talent as shown by Tevez and Mascherano fiasco too. 6. Shown an inability to improve players and constantly played players out of position. All Mike Ashley's fault apparently, poor old Alan. I don't think anyone is defending Pardew here. I'm certainly not. But .... Didn't bother to read on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Heza09 is bang on the nose. Pardew was just a symptom of the bigger cancer. He's left and it's been business as usual. Nothing has changed. The core problem remains. You see, in the 4 years he was here I thought the core problems were the s*** football that completely drained my interest in the game, a pointless brush with relegation, 4 consecutive defeats to the mackems, and the mistreatment of any player who looked to muster up even the smallest amount of excitement. Pardew was only here for so long because of the underlying problem - Mike Ashley. If any of those things mattered to Ashley (apart from the relegation battle I don't think he does), Pardew would've been gone. IN the end he was basically sold - so there isn't anything to indicate a change in mentality from above. Fact is - the important people running the club consider a midtable finish a success for the club. Pardew managed it most of his time here and they where satisfied with his performance. When we get someone new in, the same definition of success would remain. The new man will have to rise above expectations of his employer to do anything meaningful. If they thought Carver could deliver midtable finishes consistently they would hire him in an instant. Fact is Pardew was a shit manager that kept Ashley advertising his cheap shit on an international stage (barely) whilst also deflecting critisism aimed towards his boss. Of course he was never going to get sacked, if we were in genuine threat of relegation he'd have been gone in an instant. Ashley runs NUFC for his own selfish financial needs, that won't change, what can change is that a fairly decent manager can overcome the financial barrier in front of him and make use of the tools he has at his disposal, not consistently blame that barrier for his own failings whilst flaunting the availability of his best players. A walking contradiction. Yes a lot of the problems still exist but I won't accept the way the club is run as an excuse for things that were always in his power to change, style of play, player positions, taking cups seriously, amongst other things, these were all in Pardews power to change (if he was a half decent manager). As Yorkie alluded to, the state of footballing institutions is a hot topic for debate, NUFC being prime example of how ownership has changed for the worse in the last decade. But I don't watch football for the off field politics, it's not a soap opera (though it seems to be with us sometimes) I watch it for the game being played on the pitch and Pardew wrecked that enjoyment for me. That will change so long as the appointment is right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You said nothing will change while Ashley is here, I'd argue correcting a few of those listed problems changes things quite a lot and any half decent coach could do so. Ashley is utterly s**** yes we know but that doesn't stop the on the pitch product for being utterly offensive to any self respecting fan. the Derby is important but the rest doesn't really matter if results are good. If we finished midtable but played nice football and consistently knocked out the cups early i'd still be despondent about the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 :lol: Fuck me man. Some of you are going on ridiculous in here like. TCD and I are merely stating that we see Ashley as the bigger problem. No one is defending either of the cunts. Get off your high horses man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 "Battling" WBA for Strolla if you believe the Mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 :lol: f*** me man. Some of you are going on ridiculous in here like. TCD and I are merely stating that we see Ashley as the bigger problem. No one is defending either of the c***s. Get off your high horses man. Who said you were? I just disagreed with dropouts notion that nothing will change when a lot of the on the pitch problems are very easy to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You can tell by the way people are going on man... Who said, I said you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 :lol: Fuck me man. Some of you are going on ridiculous in here like. TCD and I are merely stating that we see Ashley as the bigger problem. No one is defending either of the cunts. Get off your high horses man. This is patently obvious though, so much so that it seriously doesn't warrant being said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Just an observation like, but tonight has really compounded my opinion that on average it's colder in January than it is in August. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You can tell by the way people are going on man... Who said, I said you? Because I was one of the ones to respond But in any case it doesn't matter, I have said my piece and I think we all understand each other. I'll just leave it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You can tell by the way people are going on man... Who said, I said you? Because I was one of the ones to respond But in any case it doesn't matter, I have said my piece and I think we all understand each other. I'll just leave it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hate all this "Pardew was a symptom, Ashley's the cancer" talk. If someone has cancer you still treat the symptoms, give them painkillers, etc, and drastically improve their quality of life, even though you've not cured them yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Some people are just obsessed with Ashley being the root problem and can't contemplate that anyone else might be. Saying Ashley's to blame is like saying that the sky is blue, everyone knows. That doesn't make Pardew any less accountable for the things he does in his job. If I'm shit at my job, fingers are pointed at my boss, but ultimately I'm still shit at my job, it's not a novel concept or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 No surprise there then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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