Guest antz1uk Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 the World would be such a better place without newspapers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 To be fair he's done a great job. He took the team who finished 10th last season and left them in ... 10th and he's taken the team who finished 11th last season and has them in ... 11th. Took a team 18th when he took over, to 11th. His PL win-rate with Palace is 60%. That's CL contention over a season. Pretending he hasn't done a good job so far at Palace makes you look silly and petty. He has Bolasie and Zaha basically. When he was hired I believe Murray was on loan in the Championship. He's brought him back and he's scoring in the PL. Puncheon clearly has a bad relationship with Warnock and he's a very important player for them. He's got the best out of his main 4 attackers so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Bollocks, pretending that his performance with Newcastle makes you look foolish and contrarian. He is hardly the first manager to take over a club and start with a strong set of results. Take Glen Roeder for us. You can't take the form of a manager just stepping into a club on the basis of about 12 matches and put him forward as manager of the season. It's classic idiot's guide to appearing knowledgable, see what others are saying and say the opposite. But what can be expected from the "most erudite poster on the forum". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Tino11 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 To be fair that Palace side is basically Pardew's wet dream, perfectly suited to his one and only style of play. If he keeps it together then the people expecting him to get them relegated are going to be disappointed, they won't progress too much but they aren't going down either there's too much shite down there for it to happen. We're going to have to wait until the inevitable England appointment before we finally witness the fallout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2015/mar/24/alan-pardew-premier-league-manager-season-award-newcastle-crystal-palace? People talk about breaking points, their "if that happens I'll be done with the club/football"... that there is about as close as I'd get to the point, I think. If Pardew is this season's best manager - if fate could allow that to actually be the case - I see next to nothing left that the game can offer me (taking into account the state of NUFC as well). I would feel such a vast injustice that I probably couldn't continue investing any emotion whatsoever any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Bollocks, pretending that his performance with Newcastle makes you look foolish and contrarian. He is hardly the first manager to take over a club and start with a strong set of results. Take Glen Roeder for us. You can't take the form of a manager just stepping into a club on the basis of about 12 matches and put him forward as manager of the season. It's classic idiot's guide to appearing knowledgable, see what others are saying and say the opposite. But what can be expected from the "most erudite poster on the forum". Why so angry? I didn't mention his performance for Newcastle once. His performance for Palace - so far - has been very good. What is there to argue about? Manager of the season is a stretch but he's had a superb start with Palace and he left us in a decent position in the table. That can't be argued. So people will mention him for that award. Koeman aside there isn't an outstanding candidate this season. This season has been great for Pardew's PR. Had a poor start, looked a defeated. Went on a great run with us (and it was great) to get us stable in the league. Just before the wheels fell off again he left and skyrockets the fortune of his former club. Listen to some on here, he's John Carver with 0 ability as a manager. Which isn't true. In the right situation, he can look a good manager. It's when the wheels fall off at some point, so will his arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If Dyche keeps Burnley up he should get Manager of the Year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 How come he's playing flair players all of a sudden when he wanted 11 Nicky Butts up here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's just about possible he's learned his lesson TBF, although unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 So they beat a woefully out of form West Ham, a slightly fortunate win v Spurs in his first home game and Stoke and he deserves MOTY? Only other league wins were against the bottom three iirc. He has done slightly better than expected but thats about it, hardly worth going daft over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's just about possible he's learned his lesson TBF, although unlikely. Oh Ian. Sweet, sweet Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's just about possible he's learned his lesson TBF, although unlikely. Oh Ian. Sweet, sweet Ian. I know man, I tried to qualify it loads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If Dyche keeps Burnley up he should get Manager of the Year Seconded, there really should be no contest there. Burnley are a mid table Championship squad at best - spent next to nothing on transfers AND they try and play a decent brand of football. Dyche for me like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If Dyche keeps Burnley up he should get Manager of the Year Seconded, there really should be no contest there. Burnley are a mid table Championship squad at best - spent next to nothing on transfers AND they try and play a decent brand of football. Dyche for me like. Massive IF. If they can do it i'll agree but it's unlikely imo. So far it's Koeman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Van Gaal for getting a couple of wins out of his incredibly expensive squad surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Dyche, or Koeman, or Mourinho surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Koeman or Mourinho IMO. Although I do agree that only bias would lead you to believe he's not done a good job with Palace so far - which will attract praise for him from the media. It doesn't change who he is/was as a manager, but you'd have to be glutton for punishment to continue following him waiting for his demise with the squad he's inherited at Palace. It's a great squad for this shit league. Wouldn't be surprised if the big fall never comes because this season (and in all likeliness spells of next season) will become his new "fifth", which he and his old boy media mates will always judge his tenure at Palace by, ignoring all else... he's not Carver levels of bad, he never has been, but he's certainly a) not a top manager capable of building an attack or a decent defence b) a much bigger bastard than lots of managers who are poorer than him [ie. the Carvers and Warnocks of this world] ...just be glad the snake in sheep's clothing isn't at your club. The paucity in good managers and honest mainstream punditry is such that, for me, it's really not worth your time following his career any further - you're just hurting yourself. Football's all fucked tbf, not much worth following any part of it tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I can't get over Pardew, like. I know that's very weak but he's had such an impact that I can't bare any praise he receives or success he has. You'd think he won't win manager of the year... but if this football world is one where he wins that award, it's a football world I don't want to be a part of. I'm on the precipice as it is. It really sunk in for me last week, when I was hanging out with a couple of friends I hadn't seen for nearly two years. Back then, I used to absolutely lead the football discussion... I could barely even contribute last week. It really showed me the reality of my own situation when it comes to football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yeah, it's generally just: Me: *trying not to mention Newcastle* Them: "So Newcastle eh?" Me: "yeaaah" *nervous laugh* Them: *raised eyebrow, mild laugh* Me: *shake of head* Them: "Pardew has started well at Palace, you should have kept him" Me: "How about I punch your wee brother" ad naseum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yeah, it's generally just: Me: *trying not to mention Newcastle* Them: "So Newcastle eh?" Me: "yeaaah" *nervous laugh* Them: *raised eyebrow, mild laugh* Me: *shake of head* Them: "Pardew has started well at Palace, you should have kept him" Me: "How about I punch your wee brother" ad naseum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Palace are the type of side, if given a 5 year run in the top division could turn into a really decent PL club. There's a number of decent Palace youth players knocking around the division. Routledge, Moses & Clyne off the top of my head. one of the best catchment areas in the UK for talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Koeman or Mourinho IMO. Although I do agree that only bias would lead you to believe he's not done a good job with Palace so far - which will attract praise for him from the media. It doesn't change who he is/was as a manager, but you'd have to be glutton for punishment to continue following him waiting for his demise with the squad he's inherited at Palace. It's a great squad for this shit league. Wouldn't be surprised if the big fall never comes because this season (and in all likeliness spells of next season) will become his new "fifth", which he and his old boy media mates will always judge his tenure at Palace by, ignoring all else... he's not Carver levels of bad, he never has been, but he's certainly a) not a top manager capable of building an attack or a decent defence b) a much bigger bastard than lots of managers who are poorer than him [ie. the Carvers and Warnocks of this world] ...just be glad the snake in sheep's clothing isn't at your club. The paucity in good managers and honest mainstream punditry is such that, for me, it's really not worth your time following his career any further - you're just hurting yourself. Football's all fucked tbf, not much worth following any part of it tbh If he keeps this up for a couple of seasons I'd believe he's done a good job, so far its nothing more than the new manager bounce IMO. Also if this is the Palace version of our fifth place finish then he'll have them relegated next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yeah, it's generally just: Me: *trying not to mention Newcastle* Them: "So Newcastle eh?" Me: "yeaaah" *nervous laugh* Them: *raised eyebrow, mild laugh* Me: *shake of head* Them: "Pardew has started well at Palace, you should have kept him" Me: "How about I punch your wee brother" ad naseum People just don't get it. The lad I mentioned used to listen to me, whilst at uni, harp on and on and on about everything football - so I'd have hoped he would at least sympathise. But nah, not really. I simply can't stomach any chat about him that doesn't acknowledge how bad he was. The least offensive comment I get, typically, is: "I don't understand why you dislike him so much." At least that statement invites me to objectively explain. But even on the rare occasions when I can be bothered to articulate my hatred, at some point during the rant I still have to swallow my pride and acknowledge the 5th place - as if that achievement counters his innumerable misdemeanors - just so they'll listen to me. As for the rest of football, I simply don't watch it so have no comment to make. It's sickening, I do feel like I've lost something. Genuinely care more about my FM career. This lad supports West Brom and said they could do without being in Europe. He's a big fan, n'all - former ST holder, etc. Just what the fuck, man? What aren't I seeing about the modern game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He wasn't that bad though was he? One great season. One terrible season. 2 okay seasons on position. Poor cup runs. Poor derby record. Under most owners he would've been sacked on 2 occasions due to a drop in performances. But in fairness each time after surviving, he went on a decent run. Alan Pardew is the type of manager whose team can solidly beat Man United at home, win comfortably at OT... and just get brutalised on the other 5 occasions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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