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Aye I've got nee idea what the f*** was the point in starting him. The whole 'give players a chance' thing only works if they haven't proven they're utter s**** for their entire time at the club beforehand. This is the reason we're still stuck with Obershan.

 

To be fair to Gouffran, there was a time when he looked a useful player for us.

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He might just be starting players based on their fitness and performance in training?

 

Yeah, it's early preseason. Starting a player only usually means he has better fitness than others at this point.

 

I guess I will need to cry foul when Lucho benches Messi in his first preseason game (and he will).

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I'd rather start Obertan over Gouffran. Jesus that's bad.

 

No doubt about it IMO.

 

Gouffran used to be an average-to-OK wide forward slash striker. How he became a midfielder is one of the greatest mysteries of our time.

 

:pardsgrin:

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I thought it was fairly common knowledge that a pre-season programme starts with "who's the fittest" and gradually morphs into the starting team for the opening weekend as every friendly passes?

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I think we've lacked this kind of guy for a long time, perhaps since Keegan was a one-man motivator. The current backroom staff must have changed the atmosphere there to an infinitely better one that under Carver and Pards.

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These pack of cunts haven't done shit, yet.

 

The games so far have been fucking grim, Carver's stamp all over them.

 

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--LYvrE1US--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/672513710607072805.jpg

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It will take time before we look like a real football team. As long as we're slowly getting better i wont complain too much. Just hope we get another 2-3 players in that we really do need.

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I'd take mid-table this season as long as during that we saw a clear style of play and signs we were moving away from the drivel Pardew served up. I'd probably prefer that to a 7th placed finish with crap football this season actually.

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Also friendlies are notoriously not indicative of how a team will perform competitively.

 

Yeah, I'm just aching to see what our full first team would look like and how they play together. I'm pretty sure it's gonna take a few months to get the Carvdew pheromones out of the dressing room and for us to look like a football team again.

 

On the other hand, I'm concerned how far down the table we'll be come Christmas if we start the season off craply.

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Also friendlies are notoriously not indicative of how a team will perform competitively.

 

Yeah, I'm just aching to see what our full first team would look like and how they play together. I'm pretty sure it's gonna take a few months to get the Carvdew pheromones out of the dressing room and for us to look like a football team again.

 

On the other hand, I'm concerned how far down the table we'll be come Christmas if we start the season off craply.

I'm dying to see what a team without a spastic centre half would play like

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Mbemba looks like a very good addition, but we could do with bringing in another CB as a priority. That would make a big difference. If you're secure at the back, it frees up the rest of the team, mentally as much as anything.

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What 'worries' me so far is we've not gone down the traditional route of trying to fix a shite football team by becoming solid first and then building.

 

I get that scoring goals and being creative is also a massive problem for us but I suspect unless we address the fact we concede goals for fun as a team then we'll still be in the shit overall.

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Over the last 5 seasons (298 matches), we have:

 

- Conceded (on average) 1.56 goals per game

- Scored (on average) .8 of a goal per game

 

Plain for any sane person to see what the issues are that need to be addressed.

 

Isn't that just everything :lol: Not scoring/ creating enough & conceding a fuck tone.

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