England

[STM]

5 minutes ago, Rod said:

So name me a set of fans that absolutely trash their Capital City?  You can't can you.  The only comparison is the Donald Trump aresholes that trashed the Whitehouse.

 

Eh, whys that the most important thing? I'd put a whole raft of things above that.

 

Also comparing drunk football fans with people trying to raise an insurrection is ridiculous.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Urgh he's putting Foden left and Bellingham 10. Fuck off asap Gareth.

 

Think Foden at number 10 for England last game was anonymous.

 

Not sure about him in that position if it isn't for his Man City side.

[STM]

I don't mind the team. Tripper at left back is an issue.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Think Foden at number 10 for England last game was anonymous.

 

Not sure about him in that position if it isn't for his Man City side.

 

One game doesn't make a decision. Last time Bellingham played there he was anonymous too. You're wasting both their best attributes playing them where he is.

[gbandit]

Personally think Foden will be class and score tonight 

[Gawalls]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Think Foden at number 10 for England last game was anonymous.

 

Not sure about him in that position if it isn't for his Man City side.

No choice has he - it’s not as if he hasn’t got a naturally left sided player on the bench whose had the season of his life on the bench

[Rod]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

Eh, whys that the most important thing? I'd put a whole raft of things above that.

 

Also comparing drunk football fans with people trying to raise an insurrection is ridiculous.

Please watch the film I am quoting.  This is not a few drunken fans.  It seriously is an insurrection on a football scale.

[STM]

I always thought the answer was to allow one to go and one to sit. So a double pivot in the number 10 position.

 

Rice has to sit. He's decent going forward but for England he needs to be the shield. Anything else and we have problems.

[STM]

Just now, Rod said:

Please watch the film I am quoting.  This is not a few drunken fans.  It seriously is an insurrection on a football scale.

 

I will watch it.  Always willing to learn. 

 

In return, have a look at how fans of other countries behave world-wide. Some real dark stuff. Deal?

[gbandit]

As much as Trent will always be a huge threat with his delivery Id always prefer someone who’s better at build up play. He has the ability to turn tight games with his delivery though so even if it stunts our play he can make up for it 

[KaKa]

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

One game doesn't make a decision. Last time Bellingham played there he was anonymous too. You're wasting both their best attributes playing them where he is.

 

That number 10 is so awkward in Southgate's setup. Especially because Kane drops into those spaces.

 

Good thing about Bellingham is he will look to make runs forward when Kane drops.

 

The system on a whole is just clunky. Think Foden is more likely to have an impact from wide, in a bit more space.

 

[Rod]

1 minute ago, STM said:

I always thought the answer was to allow one to go and one to sit. So a double pivot in the number 10 position.

 

Rice has to sit. He's decent going forward but for England he needs to be the shield. Anything else and we have problems.

At the end of the day, playing Terence Trent Arnold in midfield is so wrong.  First of all, and most importantly, he is NOT a midfielder.  Secondly, he's a really really average footballer........... He's going to score isn't he?

[Disco]

Use the Euros forum for games please - https://newcastle-online.org/forum/36-euro-2024/

[Yorkie]

England chat here, folks. 

[leffe186]

Posted this in the other thread but was working through the game, keeping an eye on the BBC text. Is it worth watching any of the game other than the goals? It just sounded like…everything we’ve been talking about again, again…again

[alexf]

46 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

Posted this in the other thread but was working through the game, keeping an eye on the BBC text. Is it worth watching any of the game other than the goals? It just sounded like…everything we’ve been talking about again, again…again

Not unless you want to be utterly frustrated with the groundhog day feeling.

[CPL]

52 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

Posted this in the other thread but was working through the game, keeping an eye on the BBC text. Is it worth watching any of the game other than the goals? It just sounded like…everything we’ve been talking about again, again…again

Watch the part when they nearly scored from half way as Stones was ensuring his hairline was immaculate. 

[Nucasol]

9 hours ago, leffe186 said:

Posted this in the other thread but was working through the game, keeping an eye on the BBC text. Is it worth watching any of the game other than the goals? It just sounded like…everything we’ve been talking about again, again…again

No.

[Doctor Zaius]

Yet again we had no natural width on the left. 

 

The amount of times England players get the ball and throw their hands up in the air because they don't know who to pass to is incredible. I genuinely mean it when I say I've never seen a side look so clueless as to how they're supposed to be playing. It's all over the shop.

 

Palmer and Gordon for Saka and Foden would be my shout. He absolutely cannot persist with this current system. 

 

 

Edited July 1 by Doctor Zaius

[Nucasol]

Any excuse as to why he didn’t put Gordon on?

[Checko]

Anyone else have a feeling in their waters that England are going to absolutely jammy these Euros and get Southgate a knighthood?

[Pilko]

Genuinely think there'll only be enforced changes. Trent or Konsa for the suspended Guehi and perhaps Palmer for Trippier and Saka to LB again if he doesn't make it. Won't be any progressive changes by his own design, though. Hasn't got the arsehole to drop the bigger names.

[Yorkie]

I think Micah Richards probably nailed it on the latest Rest Is Football. The objective is to be tight defensively and rely entirely on moments from the world class quality. Ergo there's a total lack of any meaningful gameplan going forward, exacerbated by every single opponent sticking everything behind the ball. 

 

It seems like an incredibly high risk strategy and it nearly did us yesterday. Surely not sustainable. 

[El Prontonise]

 

 

 

[Coffee_Johnny]

 I am trying to recall if there’s ever been as consistent dissatisfaction with playing style, disagreement with selection and overlooking seemingly obvious gaps, in our Euros history. 

I can recall Robson and Taylor being slaughtered, at a number of points, and Keegan got a fair bit of stick about tactics. Eriksson and McLaren received a load of abuse though more personal than tactical if I recall correctly. Hodgson had a tough exit losing 1-2 to Iceland, with all goals in first 18 minutes but unable to turn it around. Here’s our record in last 12 Euros. 

 

1980 (8 teams only) Ron Greenwood, group stage: Belgium (1-1), Italy (0-1 L), Spain (2-1 W). 

 

1984, did not qualify (only 8 teams again)  & 1988 (8 teams), group stage: Ireland (0-1), Netherlands (1-3), Soviet Union (1-3) Bobby Robson.

 

1992 (still only 8 teams), Graham Taylor, group stage: Denmark (0-0), France (0-0), Sweden (1-2).

1996 (16 teams)Terry Venables, semi final: group Switzerland (1-1), Scotland (2-0), Netherlands (4-1); QF Spain (0-0, 4-2 pens); Germany (1-1, 5-6 pens).

 

2000 (16 teams), Kevin Keegan, group stage: Portugal (2-3), Germany (1-0), Romania (2-3). 

 

2004 (16 teams), Sven-Göran Eriksson, quarter final: group France (1-2), Switzerland (3-0), Croatia (4-2); QF Portugal (2-2, 5-6 pens). 

 

2008 (16) Steve McLaren, did not qualify.  

 

2012 (16 teams), quarter final:  group France (1-1), Sweden (3-2), Ukraine (1-0), QF Italy (0-0, 2-4 pens).  2016 (24 teams), round of 16: group Russia (1-1), Wales (2-1), Slovakia (0-0); Round of 16, Iceland (1-2) Roy Hodgson.

 

2020 (24 teams), final: group Croatia (1-0), Scotland (0-0), Czech Republic (1-0); Round of 16, Germany (2-0); QF Ukraine (4-0); SF Denmark (2-1 AET); F Italy (1-1, 2-3 pens). 2024 (24 teams) quarter final (minimum): group Serbia (1-0), Denmark (1-1), Slovenia (0-0); Round of 16, Slovakia (2-1 AET); QF Switzerland (tbd)… . Gareth Southgate. 

 

Southgate has the best record (note 24 teams rather than 8 teams qualifying, and the impact of that on the opposition you face in the ‘finals’) but he might end up receiving more abuse than many and certainly more than he was on the receiving end of for his penalty miss in Euro 1996.