Hanshithispantz Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 A large part of why we're shit as a team is shoe-horning the favourites into the side instead of simply building something based on playing as many in-form players in as many natural positions as possible. We get away with it against the wank teams. I completely agree with this FWIW, it's just I look back at the World Cup and see how badly we failed trying 'something different'. Granted the Liverpool experiment was skewed by them nearly winning the league due to the best striker on the planet. During the times we've looked good in the qualifiers, going on unbeaten runs etc, Rooney has been playing. I think it's going to be the same this year, Kane and Vardy will be shite and we'll look terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Spot on Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 To accomodate Rooney tonight we had our two best goalscorers miles out wide and our most exciting attacking talent stuck much deeper than he should be. So for one player, three others suffer. To play devils advocate you could also argue that the other players are being shoe-horned in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 You can't be picking players on past glories, it's what has made England terrible in most tournaments recently. Picking rooney falls right in that category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 A large part of why we're s*** as a team is shoe-horning the favourites into the side instead of simply building something based on playing as many in-form players in as many natural positions as possible. We get away with it against the w*** teams. This. Plus Rooney should surely be playing for Ireland. He'd be seen as a handsome hunk of a man in Connemara, so he would; whether his 'cottage' was thatched or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 You can't be picking players on past glories, it's what has made England terrible in most tournaments recently. Picking rooney falls right in that category. Aye, I just think there's an element of, no matter who we pick, we're going to be disappointed. And that a player like Rooney will get the major share of criticism because 'if we selected X Y of Z we'd have done better.' Which I'm not sure is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 To accomodate Rooney tonight we had our two best goalscorers miles out wide and our most exciting attacking talent stuck much deeper than he should be. So for one player, three others suffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I've not been excited about watching England for years. Absolutely detest the hype and 'Ingurland...it's coming home', mob, but it's been a complete breath of fresh air to see in form, hard-working, players like Kane, Vardy, Drinkwater and Alli be given an opportunity and performing well. The last thing I want to see is a reversion to the 'same old' when there's clearly an opportunity to build something really promising here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Cannot even comprehend what Altamullan's talking about like, think I'm gan to bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Sticking my neck on the line here and saying we will finish 2nd at best in our group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Seriously though, we do well as a team in the qualifiers. We do shit in the actual cup. The point is it's not Wayne Rooney's selection that's the problem. Given he's/we've been shite in every tournament since 2004 maybe there is a link. Aye, maybe our top scorer was the problem He's hardly troubled the score sheet in tournaments though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I'd agree if Rooney missing chances was our problem in tournaments but it's not, as a team we've been poor for over a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 It was a rather nervous selection by Hodgson. He's not sure whether Dier on his own can do enough to protect his back four, and so he tried Milner. Trouble is, I don't think Milner or Henderson offer us enough. Maybe Drinkwater would have been the better option, but that ship has sailed. He also wants to find starting places for both Vardy and Rooney, but that didn't work either. Looking at the front six, I'd personally definitely have these five - Dier, Wilshere, Alli, Kane and Lallana. The other place I'd give to Barkley or Rooney, and adjust the formation depending on which of those two are picked. Barkley's not had a great season, but he's a class player who can come good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 year old girl murder banter! 'WER'RE PLAYNG FOR ENGLAND... INGERRRRRRLAND!!! This post is great without any context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 year old girl murder banter! 'WER'RE PLAYNG FOR ENGLAND... INGERRRRRRLAND!!! This post is great without any context. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,96970.msg6009242.html#msg6009242 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 year old girl murder banter! 'WER'RE PLAYNG FOR ENGLAND... INGERRRRRRLAND!!! This post is great without any context. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,96970.msg6009242.html#msg6009242 I feel like you missed the point of it beging great without context... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 year old girl murder banter! 'WER'RE PLAYNG FOR ENGLAND... INGERRRRRRLAND!!! This post is great without any context. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,96970.msg6009242.html#msg6009242 I feel like you missed the point of it beging great without context... I did, so I wanted to ruin it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Thnx Nees x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wullie Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jun/02/england-roy-hodgson-wayne-rooney-out-of-shape Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 an opportunity finally to put Wayne Rooney, Harry Kane and Jamie Vardy on the pitch together. The VaRooKa strikeforce Ooo let's hope that doesn't stick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 an opportunity finally to put Wayne Rooney, Harry Kane and Jamie Vardy on the pitch together. The VaRooKa strikeforce Ooo let's hope that doesn't stick. VaRooKa is fucking brutal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Hodgson won't be able to return to the country if he makes a complete mess of things. Such potential going forward in this England side and it feels like it's going to be a huge let down now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Reminds of that bazuka that verruca advert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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