Aleksandar Mitrović

[Kanj]

 

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

Good fucking post.

[Dave]

I can see why some could think it's a red, tbh. But it shows a fundamental lack of recognition for what the player was trying to do IMO. He tried to bring the ball down and the Arsenal player nicked in there first, simple as that. Add a scream and a bit of writhing around and hey presto the referee is conned.

[Kanj]

Haidara also missed considerable time after wards. But nah man. Mitrovic deserved a red bc his studs were up and he got s foot down on poor Coqs foot and he jumped around like a fucking pansy and then came back and played.

 

[TRon]

The more I see it the less it looks like a sending off, just tries to trap the ball.

 

About 5 mins too late unfortunately. If he'd even got close to a touch on the ball then he might have got away with it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I can see why some could think it's a red, tbh. But it shows a fundamental lack of recognition for what the player was trying to do IMO. He tried to bring the ball down and the Arsenal player nicked in there first, simple as that. Add a scream and a bit of writhing around and hey presto the referee is conned.

 

Said exactly this at the time. Fuck knows when leaping into the air followed by a tuck and roll with scream became acceptable for an elite athlete.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

 

Martin Keown - ex-Arsenal player said it was a red.

The same bloke who thought Coquelin was going to die under Thauvin's "challenge".

[madras]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

A... Do you think it would have been a red had Giroud done it ?

B....Do you think there was intent ?

[Pata]

It's not  dangerous when there's absolutely no force behind it. Ope and Semtex have nailed it in the past 13 pages that I just fucking read for some reason.

[Dr Venkman]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

 

Martin Keown - ex-Arsenal player said it was a red.

The same bloke who thought Coquelin was going to die under Thauvin's "challenge".

I'm not watching MOTD so I have no idea what Keown said, but every single match report say it was deserved, all the BT commentators and pundits said it was deserved, and my eyes tell me that it's a perfectly legitimate red card. No intent, but it turned into a bad challenge.

 

Loads of people on here disagree with you, what's the big deal?

[Dave]

The NBC pundits didn't think it was a red.

[Dr Venkman]

The NBC pundits didn't think it was a red.

 

Part of the 5%.

[Pata]

Giroud/Walcott/Sanchez or any other cunt doing that in the 15th minute of the game would never ever get a red for that.

[madras]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

A... Do you think it would have been a red had Giroud done it ?

B....Do you think there was intent ?

a) some days yes, some days no. Don't think anyone can say either way for sure.

b) No, but it's already been established that they don't take that into account.

Have to say I think your wrong. Look at every tackle in isolation like that and you can buiold a case. Colback was fouled at shin height with no attempt at playing tha ball, foul, no booking, it's letter of the law some times, not at others (and today that was obvious) not helped by by a ref who gave 2 bookings because someone told him to.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

A... Do you think it would have been a red had Giroud done it ?

B....Do you think there was intent ?

b) No, but it's already been established that they don't take that into account.

 

But he was sent off for the intent? The reason it was a red, was because he intended to do it. The referee believed he intended to hurt Coquelin.

He would not have been sent off, if the referee thought it was an accident as he is not seriously hurting a player - as he has stood on somebody's foot.

 

So your whole argument is wrong, if you believe there was no intent?

[Dr Venkman]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

 

Martin Keown - ex-Arsenal player said it was a red.

The same bloke who thought Coquelin was going to die under Thauvin's "challenge".

I'm not watching MOTD so I have no idea what Keown said, but every single match report say it was deserved, all the BT commentators and pundits said it was deserved, and my eyes tell me that it's a perfectly legitimate red card. No intent, but it turned into a bad challenge.

 

Loads of people on here disagree with you, what's the big deal?

Who said there was a big deal?

 

I'll rephrase the question, why don't you get that there's an argument about it? People see it different ways, no matter how many statistics you imagine.

 

[Deckard 13]

Fwiw all of the BBC Sport coverage on the matchday updates, the ex pros and that, absolutely agreed it was a poor decision.

 

I'm assuming that "all the TV commentators" thst think its a red are people like Savage, Wright and Keown.

[Dr Venkman]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

A... Do you think it would have been a red had Giroud done it ?

B....Do you think there was intent ?

a) some days yes, some days no. Don't think anyone can say either way for sure.

b) No, but it's already been established that they don't take that into account.

Have to say I think your wrong. Look at every tackle in isolation like that and you can buiold a case. Colback was fouled at shin height with no attempt at playing tha ball, foul, no booking, it's letter of the law some times, not at others (and today that was obvious) not helped by by a ref who gave 2 bookings because someone told him to.

The Colback tackle was shin height but not particularly dangerous (although probably should have been a yellow).

 

Mitrovic's was studs down the shin and onto the foot.

 

Look, all I'm saying is it's hardly the outrageous decision that some are making out. You put all 10 PL refs in a room to watch that challenge and I can almost guarantee you that at least 8 or 9 of them give reds. I'm backing this up based on Howard Webb and Graham Poll's comments after the game - both of which said it was a red card offence.

 

I COMPLETELY agree that there's issues with consistency, but as a stand alone incident it's so obvious why it was a red card.

 

Look, more made up statistics.

 

You thought it was a red, fine. Why are you making stuff up man?

[madras]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

A... Do you think it would have been a red had Giroud done it ?

B....Do you think there was intent ?

a) some days yes, some days no. Don't think anyone can say either way for sure.

b) No, but it's already been established that they don't take that into account.

Have to say I think your wrong. Look at every tackle in isolation like that and you can buiold a case. Colback was fouled at shin height with no attempt at playing tha ball, foul, no booking, it's letter of the law some times, not at others (and today that was obvious) not helped by by a ref who gave 2 bookings because someone told him to.

The Colback tackle was shin height but not particularly dangerous (although probably should have been a yellow).

 

Mitrovic's was studs down the shin and onto the foot.

 

Look, all I'm saying is it's hardly the outrageous decision that some are making out. You put all 10 PL refs in a room to watch that challenge and I can almost guarantee you that at least 8 or 9 of them give reds. I'm backing this up based on Howard Webb and Graham Poll's comments after the game - both of which said it was a red card offence.

 

I COMPLETELY agree that there's issues with consistency, but as a stand alone incident it's so obvious why it was a red card.

I'd bet if Webb and Poll saw Giroud do that they wouldn't say it was a red.

 

I'm not saying that as a big club bias thing, more that he wouldn't be a marked man.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Would Howard Webb have sent Wayne Rooney off for that incident at Old Trafford?

Never. In. A. Million. Years.

[TRon]

I can see why some could think it's a red, tbh. But it shows a fundamental lack of recognition for what the player was trying to do IMO. He tried to bring the ball down and the Arsenal player nicked in there first, simple as that. Add a scream and a bit of writhing around and hey presto the referee is conned.

 

Said exactly this at the time. Fuck knows when leaping into the air followed by a tuck and roll with scream became acceptable for an elite athlete.

 

It became acceptable when reckless challenges ended with studs catching above the boot level from what I understand. If Mitro's studs had made no contact then the Arsenal player would have been booked for diving.

[Dr Venkman]

100% of the cats in my house don't think it was a red card.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I can see why some could think it's a red, tbh. But it shows a fundamental lack of recognition for what the player was trying to do IMO. He tried to bring the ball down and the Arsenal player nicked in there first, simple as that. Add a scream and a bit of writhing around and hey presto the referee is conned.

 

Said exactly this at the time. Fuck knows when leaping into the air followed by a tuck and roll with scream became acceptable for an elite athlete.

 

It became acceptable when reckless challenges ended with studs catching above the boot level from what I understand. If Mitro's studs had made no contact then the Arsenal player would have been booked for diving.

 

Sorry? I mean, why not just react to the challenge in a natural way? If you're tripped, fall over. If someone makes contact with your shin pad, it barely hurts at all.

 

And also, they should be pretending not to be hurt even when they are, like nearly every other sportsperson in the world.

[Mowen]

 

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

Good fucking post.

 

No it isn't ffs

 

A clearly wrong decision has nothing to do with this. There would never be another red card again if the criteria was it being comparable to this challenge.

 

FWIW my view is similar to what someone posted earlier about it being an "orange" card. It's clearly at least a yellow and worse than almost all yellow card challenges you'd see. It's not like it's an incomprehensible decision like the Afelley or Noble red cards. Also, everyone who says he was trying to control the ball, even if the Arsenal player wasn't there that's a bloody weird way to try and control the ball.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

http://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/premier-league-newcastle-v-arsenal-29-08-15-12-45pm-bt-sport.28426/page-22

 

Very split decision by ARSENAL fans on whether it was a red card.

If Arsenal fans think it was harsh, it probably was harsh.

[Guest neesy111]

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

A... Do you think it would have been a red had Giroud done it ?

B....Do you think there was intent ?

a) some days yes, some days no. Don't think anyone can say either way for sure.

b) No, but it's already been established that they don't take that into account.

Have to say I think your wrong. Look at every tackle in isolation like that and you can buiold a case. Colback was fouled at shin height with no attempt at playing tha ball, foul, no booking, it's letter of the law some times, not at others (and today that was obvious) not helped by by a ref who gave 2 bookings because someone told him to.

The Colback tackle was shin height but not particularly dangerous (although probably should have been a yellow).

 

Mitrovic's was studs down the shin and onto the foot.

 

Look, all I'm saying is it's hardly the outrageous decision that some are making out. You put all 10 PL refs in a room to watch that challenge and I can almost guarantee you that at least 8 or 9 of them give reds. I'm backing this up based on Howard Webb and Graham Poll's comments after the game - both of which said it was a red card offence.

 

I COMPLETELY agree that there's issues with consistency, but as a stand alone incident it's so obvious why it was a red card.

 

Look, more made up statistics.

 

You thought it was a red, fine. Why are you making stuff up man?

Ok, you clearly have an issue with my posts today so I will refrain from replying after this one, but I clearly said above why I think that most refs would give it based on the fact that one did give it, and two ex refs agreed with it. Hardly a "made up" stay as you are suggesting. If ex refs are agreeing with the decision is it soooo outlandish to suggest that the majority of refs would also agree?

 

Anyway, you've clearly got a problem with me having a different opinion to you, so I'll be sure to get confirmed Opta stats to back up my opinion next time...see if you approve more then

He's had an issue with mine as well.