Aleksandar Mitrović

[Lush Vlad]

No pressure when taking a penalty?  What absolute drivel

 

Whilst it should be extremely easy, for a pro to score from there.  There are a multitiude of factors to consider and if anything, are far more pressured than a quick snapshot or a one on one, where you just instinctively hit it. 

[triggs]

 

 

Take 50 odd off of Shearer.  Not real goals.  Take tap ins from a yard away, as well.

Tap ins show that a striker can get into the positions to score easy goals, it's one of the most important things for a striker to get into a position to score tap ins. Penalties are just a free chance to score from 12 yards and nothing at all to do with how good a striker is

 

Yeah, penalties have a 100% success rate and have nothing to do with any kind of skill, composure or technical ability

 

Yes because I said those things. It's a free shot under no pressure with just a goalkeeper to beat from 12 yards. It's a shot that will never be replicated in actual gameplay and doesn't reflect how good a striker someone is

 

But tap ins, are fine?  Because they always show good movement or that he can get into a good position?  What about deflected shots, that were on target, take them away as well?   

 

It's not always the case.  But good, composed penalty takers, are often good finishers or prolific scorers.  I don't see why they should be discounted from goal totals.

 

A player that consistently gets tap ins clearly has good movement, and that's the most important thing for a striker. A deflected shot generally is a shot on target that gets deflected so again it's either a decent shot in the first place or you got into a decent position by good movement.

 

I just don't think taking a good penalty has that much to do with being a good footballer. The best tactic for hitting a penalty is probably low and hard to a corner I'm sure you'd agree, a lot of the best players try to place it instead like they would in an actual match situation and as a result aren't great penalty takers, Messi, Suarez, Neymar as examples. I don't think that makes them a worse or better footballer either way

 

Edit: No pressure from opposing players is what I meant by no pressure, should have been clearer

[Lush Vlad]

For me though, it's where do you draw the line.  Mitrovic's header against Norwich took a massive deflection.  He scored against Spurs, when he was basically just stood on the line from a corner and bundled it in.  A lot of goals are about luck, or just a lucky break of the ball.  So why are they fine by you, but a penalty makes no odds?  I've always found the 'penalties aren't real goals' argument, a bit of a strange one.

[Wullie]

If you're having a discussion about a player's worth or deciding if you want them in the team or not, of course you discount penalties. To not do so is ridiculous.

[Guest reefatoon]

No pressure when taking a penalty?  What absolute drivel

 

Whilst it should be extremely easy, for a pro to score from there.  There are a multitiude of factors to consider and if anything, are far more pressured than a quick snapshot or a one on one, where you just instinctively hit it. 

 

It's probably more pressure as the game stops, and you have to try and keep your cool. Much easier to instinctively hit it. 

[Lush Vlad]

TBF to triggs.  He did clarify his point and say no pressure from the opposition. 

[Guest reefatoon]

TBF to triggs.  He did clarify his point and say no pressure from the opposition. 

 

Yep that's true

[triggs]

For me though, it's where do you draw the line.  Mitrovic's header against Norwich took a massive deflection.  He scored against Spurs, when he was basically just stood on the line from a corner and bundled it in.  A lot of goals are about luck, or just a lucky break of the ball.  So why are they fine by you, but a penalty makes no odds?  I've always found the 'penalties aren't real goals' argument, a bit of a strange one.

Because they are actually in play, of course you're going to get lucky goals but even in those situations you've usually done at least something good in an actual game play situation that made sure you were in the right place to get lucky. A penalty isn't replicated at any other time in a real game situation

[Kanj]

Tragic turn in this thread. Comparing Shola to Mitro and merits of tap ins and penalties to tallies.

[Rompe]

Mitrovic has 8 PL goals this season, the almighty Ameobi managed to better that a whopping one (1) time in his whole career here.

 

One would think it'd be time to log off when you start romanticizing peak Ameobi.

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Will he stay when we go down?

[Guest]

First Simpson, now Ameobi...I dread to read the Colback thread in about 4 years time.

[Guest neesy111]

Mitrovic has 8 PL goals this season, the almighty Ameobi managed to better that a whopping one (1) time in his whole career here.

 

One would think it'd be time to log off when you start romanticizing peak Ameobi.

 

Shola never started most of a season for us though.

[Kanj]

Shola was shit in a better team; this team we currently have is just as bad if not worse than the prior relegated team.

[Guest reefatoon]

First Simpson, now Ameobi...I dread to read the Colback thread in about 4 years time.

 

Terrifying thought.

[Yorkie]

Mitrovic has 8 PL goals this season, the almighty Ameobi managed to better that a whopping one (1) time in his whole career here.

 

One would think it'd be time to log off when you start romanticizing peak Ameobi.

 

Can't bare sarcy condescending shite like this. No one is romanticizing anyone. I'm comparing two average-to-shit strikers. Shola was here forever and loathed by many; it doesn't mean to say he and Mitrovic aren't compareble just cos the latter is still fairly new to us. I have said more than once in this debate that Shola was largely shite. Of course he was.

[TRon]

I like Mitrovic for his effort but I'm still to be convinced he'll score goals regularly. For him to be effective for us we'll need others to contribute more goals.

[Mattoon]

We can only hope that 3 goals in 2 game has sparked a bit of confidence in the lad, we've seen him with his tail up and on his day he can be a handful. I just hope it's not too late for him to be taking his chances now.

[NG32]

Id say its hard to judge him in such a poor team with no spirit whatsoever, the lad is 21 and in a new league.  He's been put under a lot of pressure to score the goals needed to keep NUFC in the league, I think that's way to much of a burden for a young player.

 

Him and Perez have suffered badly.

 

Shola had Shearer up front with him, that support is immense. 

 

WHo has Mitro had?

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'm surprised he's even being considered in the same bracket as people like Shola. For me he's a striker with a lot of heart and potential who's been parachuted into an absolute disaster zone. He's missed a few chances, but not a lot.

 

Although I like Shola, he was a player who robbed a living in the Premier League about two divisions above his actual level.

[Rompe]

Mitrovic has 8 PL goals this season, the almighty Ameobi managed to better that a whopping one (1) time in his whole career here.

 

One would think it'd be time to log off when you start romanticizing peak Ameobi.

 

Can't bare sarcy condescending s**** like this. No one is romanticizing anyone. I'm comparing two average-to-s*** strikers. Shola was here forever and loathed by many; it doesn't mean to say he and Mitrovic aren't compareble just cos the latter is still fairly new to us. I have said more than once in this debate that Shola was largely s****. Of course he was.

 

You said Ameobi was unplayable on his day, and a much more accomplished finisher than Mitrovic. Bit weird that Ameobi didn't score more goals than he did if that's correct.

[vicente_14]

Will he stay when we go down?

 

No.

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Will he stay when we go down?

 

No.

 

Thanks

 

[sugoinufc]

Mitrovic is a limited player in many ways...but some of his abilities are (can become) worldclass.

 

I like the kid coz he cares!

 

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I personally think he would stay, he's settled with his little one in Newcastle - there are no upcoming International tournaments that he desperately needs to play in.

 

He's guaranteed a comfortable wage and is one of a few players who the fans actually like.