Jamaal Lascelles

[LRD]

Hmm time to give the captain's armband to Trippier in the time that he will be out, then pretended he never existed once we get a new CB and move on?

[Guest]

What armband?

 

https://ibb.co/JBY5Sp1

[TRon]

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

[Rod]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

The voice of reason.  Well said.

[Palestoon]

Just now, TRon said:

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

 

Agreed, he did well today before he went off. both our fullbacks were getting beat like a drum in the first half, Schar and Lascalles dealt with everything. Second half trippier sorted himself out, and Manquillio was excellent. Our CBs had much less to do.

[Oregon_Geordie]

52 minutes ago, Rod said:

The voice of reason.  Well said.

I thought Willock was poor first halve, not terrible, just in second gear.

Thought Lascelles was fine, as I did last week also, bar a few daft balls.

[Dr Jinx]

58 minutes ago, TRon said:

Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. 

It’s not a hate campaign, it started really well for the kid when he arrived first and every one of us were happy to have him as a captain.

 

But the defending Mike Ashley and then just his overall performances over the last few seasons. It’s beyond repair as far as am concerned. As a player he peaked at 22 and as a captain has been like a mute the last 2 years.

 

Makes far too many mistakes in every match he plays now, lots of which have led to goals. Why should we treat him any differently to Ciaran Clark? (Who also did fine while he was on)

[Big River]

New poll added.

 

pretty sure it'll be a landslide, but interested to see what people would do with him...

[AyeDubbleYoo]

At the moment drop, but I hope he’s not a lost cause. If he can work on whatever makes him look so panicky all the time, he might have a career yet. 

[HaydnNUFC]

Posted this a few times now but this suggests that Schar is our worst CB. 

 

[prefabtoon]

Seemed to me Lascelles bottled it against Leeds,

He just panicked and feigned injury, he has lost all his confidence lately.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by prefabtoon

[Dr Jinx]

He’s one of many who physically are not in the best place. Whatever training they were doing in pre season, it built the bricks for many players walking the hamstring tightrope all season.

 

But with Lascelles who’s prone to a mistake, having serious physical limitations are highlighting this.

 

He’s also lost his voice a bit.. when he first broke into the team he was a natural leader. Not for a long time though. He seems to look to others for guidance now.

 

I mean, I don’t dislike him. He’s always been a model pro and aside from the Mike Ashley comments he’s always represented the club well. But what’s happening on the pitch is making it hard to take all this into account.

[Nine]

Going off the stats alone Burn is a huge upgrade on Schar 

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Posted this a few times now but this suggests that Schar is our worst CB. 

 

 

I don't think this passes the eye test. Schar is a better and more frequent progressive passer of the ball than Lascelles.

[Sean]

I mean, pretty sure those 2 stats aren't the only relevant ones for judging the quality and/or performances of centre backs.

 

Not to say they aren't relevant, just they are quite selective. 

[Nine]

I mean for a ball playing CB like Schar is supposed to be his stats for progressive passes is abysmal like, though I understand the team around him is shite. 

[HaydnNUFC]

2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I don't think this passes the eye test. Schar is a better and more frequent progressive passer of the ball than Lascelles.

 

Unsure on what counts as a progressive pass tbh but for a CB to be winning less than half of his aerial duels is absolutely shit.

[Happinesstan]

6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Unsure on what counts as a progressive pass tbh but for a CB to be winning less than half of his aerial duels is absolutely shit.

Why I'd always play him in a three,  get him closing down on that right hand side, allowing Trippier time to get back and support, with Lascelles and Burn able to deal with the aerial duel.

[Mazzy]

Those statistics suggest that Clark and Lascelles are both better than Schar purely down to the fact they win for Aerial Duels and make the same amount of progressive passes, yet how many mistakes do they both make per game. Far more than Schar is for certain and how many of those 'progressive passes' are just hopeful punts upfield?

 

I'm not a fan of any of our current CBs tbh and it's been an issue for the last 3 seasons. We'll see how Burn does and I suspect he will be a huge improvement on all of them.

 

Huge shame Fede has been out so much this season as he is far better than the other 3 but still isn't particularly good enough and should've been replaced along with the rest a couple seasons ago.

[Consortium of one]

I like looking at the new analytics but I also believe in the eye test.  In a two man pairing our CBs fail.  I think we could all agree each will function better in a 3 man.  Can't say for sure about Burn.  He looks real good in some of the metrics but I haven't seen him enough.

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

I assume Lascelles has been instructed to keep it simple and give it to Trippier. Atleast once in the past few games he made the most passes out of anyone in the side.

 

Schar could obviously do that.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[David Edgar]

That is such a dumb graphic.  Why plot aerial duals and some shitty passing stat against each other?   

 

Such fucking dumb.

[Nine]

13 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

That is such a dumb graphic.  Why plot aerial duals and some shitty passing stat against each other?   

 

Such fucking dumb.

 

I mean its a simple graph but its probably the best 2 stats for CBs to compare if only 2 are being used, progressive passes for the ball playing CBs combined with the aerial ability of the more traditional CB sort of gives you a vague but rounded idea. Obviously combining all CB stats would be better.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Nine

[greydos]

The problem with Schar’s position on that chart is that it ignores the fact he often carries the ball beyond the press (usually as Shelvey’s shat himself so given it back to Schar) then gives it simple (usually sideways) to Manq/Fraser/Krafth. So his simple sideways pass is from higher up the pitch than Lascelles. Which means he’s actually far more progressive he’s just dribbled and passed sideways not stood still and hoofed it like Lascelles. 

[Lush Vlad]

There was one of those star charts or whatever they are called, comparing Burn with Lascelles and Schar. 
 

They both looked pretty crap in comparison to Burn, for different reasons. But the passing stats for Lascelles were horrendous. Pretty much everything on there was, I think bar aerial duels and something else. Even tackles were poor. Annoyingly, I can’t find it now. I thought it was WyAyeScout on Twitter. But it’s not on there. 
 

At least with Schar he has a bit of ability on the ball and will carry it forward when he needs to. He’s also coming off the back of an MOTM display against Leeds. Where he barely put a foot wrong.