Jamaal Lascelles

[nufcjmc]

42 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

We need a "tap the sign" meme knocking up to remind people that real football isn't FIFA/EAFC and players are kept around because they help keep standards up in training ect.

 

Obviously we think he's earning his wage.

I don't think that's fair I don't need reminding the leadership group has done things to drive the culture change from the "just go out and play lads" approach. However we need to eventually move on 40/50k sitting on the sidelines clapping is not healthy for the club who need to progress. He's played his part from the treatment table but if we can't keep standards up with full internationals in the side then I would be worried at this stage. 

 

Getting Europe this season should be a call to push on and progress not keep Gillespie, Jamaal and such a cushy extension with the justification to keep the group together. 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 07:39 by nufcjmc

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Not sure we need so many players who can play that position personally. We don't play three at the back and I imagine a right sided centre half is pretty high on our list. 

Yeh you need 5 if you are to play in Europe and compete deep. 
 

We have a such a thin squad. 
 

 

[The College Dropout]

Imo if we qualify for the CL we’ll need

GK

RB (assuming Trippier leaves)

CB

CM

CM (assuming a CM option leaves)

RW

ST (assuming Wilson leaves)

 

And replacements if anyone else leaves. 

I don’t think we’ll get all of these.  Adding a backup CB is fine to leave off the shopping list. New CB, Schar, Burn, Botman, Lascelles is fine 

[54]

7 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I don't think that's fair I don't need reminding the leadership group has done things to drive the culture change from the "just go out and play lads" approach. However we need to eventually move on 40/50k sitting on the sidelines clapping is not healthy for the club who need to progress. He's played his part from the treatment table but if we can't keep standards up with full internationals in the side then I would be worried at this stage. 

 

Getting Europe this season should be a call to push on and progress not keep Gillespie, Jamaal and such a cushy extension with the justification to keep the group together. 

 

 

 

 

Gillespie is a training keeper, who's probably on £10k a week, absolutely nothing wrong with him being around.

 

As for Lascelles, we have a 25 man squad, we might as well use it, we need a 5th choice CB with all the games we'll be playing next season (At the very least 8 extra if we get Europa/ Champions League), and Lascelles is solid enough to be that, and add a whole lot to the leadership of the group. Have no issue with the contract renew. 

[ponsaelius]

Given our limited Club HG options there's a likelihood he wouldn't be in a European squad is the only issue with that. We will probably be limited to 22 senior players (21 if Longstaff goes) so then he'd almost certain likely be left out like Ritchie was last year.

 

These kind of cheerleader type players don't really help us in Europe - but you're unlikely to want to play them in the league.

[nufcjmc]

6 minutes ago, 54 said:

Gillespie is a training keeper, who's probably on £10k a week, absolutely nothing wrong with him being around.

 

As for Lascelles, we have a 25 man squad, we might as well use it, we need a 5th choice CB with all the games we'll be playing next season (At the very least 8 extra if we get Europa/ Champions League), and Lascelles is solid enough to be that, and add a whole lot to the leadership of the group. Have no issue with the contract renew. 

 

We will have to agree to disagree then my main issue was the assumption from the post I originally replied to I needed reminding that he adds value and in real life players hang around.

While I agree we will get fringe players we have Kraft for that as a low wage low appearance does a job when called upo  pro my issue is I don't want a pile of them. Going back to last summer the rumour was Howe would be allowed to keep Dummett and Ritchie would have stuck around for the season if we had of gotten european football. Jamaal, Trips, Schar and BDB are all over 30 and need to improve and letting some old players go on frees may force the club to invest in the back line in phases unless we offering one years to them all again next summer. I don't want them all to walk away next summer for instance and all need replacing.

 

My point of Gillespie is he has a squad number been here 5 years for 10k a week and offered nothing on the pitch he's possibly stopped a youth prospect being that "training keeper" we saw in his last appearance he's sub par i don't care if he poses good for the social media stuff I want my squad numbers to go to players I can see us offering minutes to. 25 man squad yes and filler players are in all of the prem sides squads but we have maybe 15 players to call upon regularly we need to raise the bar for the other squad players so they can realistically offer something tangible on the pitch.

 

Lascelles may still be able to offer something but injured for a year 31 years old and clearly struggling to come back we have no clue what sort of player we are going to be getting back. 

[nufcjmc]

22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Imo if we qualify for the CL we’ll need

GK

RB (assuming Trippier leaves)

CB

CM

CM (assuming a CM option leaves)

RW

ST (assuming Wilson leaves)

 

And replacements if anyone else leaves. 

I don’t think we’ll get all of these.  Adding a backup CB is fine to leave off the shopping list. New CB, Schar, Burn, Botman, Lascelles is fine 

Totally get that squad rebuild already has a shopping list and I don't follow our youth sides to know if any can fill that gap. 

 

However on the flip side next summer we could be talking about needed a schar, burn, Trips, kraft and lascelles replacements on one fell swoop if they all stay this year and go the  next this will be hard to do financially but also at risk of breaking up the defensive unit in one fell swoop. Letting Lascelles go now may add a shopping item to this summer but would give a chance to maybe sign a young player and give them 12 months on the fringe to wait for their chance to step up. 

[HalloNUFC]

13 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

Totally get that squad rebuild already has a shopping list and I don't follow our youth sides to know if any can fill that gap. 

 

However on the flip side next summer we could be talking about needed a schar, burn, Trips, kraft and lascelles replacements on one fell swoop if they all stay this year and go the  next this will be hard to do financially but also at risk of breaking up the defensive unit in one fell swoop. Letting Lascelles go now may add a shopping item to this summer but would give a chance to maybe sign a young player and give them 12 months on the fringe to wait for their chance to step up. 

The young player u are talking about wouldn't eating up squad place if he is<21 so keeping lascelles wouldn't affect the chance of a youth if he shows prospect.

 

Don't forget we lost Kelly this season so contact to lascelles maybe a stopgap aswell.

 

After all a senior pro is a senior pro, u can see how all talented u21 of Liverpool/chelsea/man city get destroyed by league one/two senior pros in efl trophy 

 

Also, senior CB is always preferred to a young one, young players do mistake & the position is unforgiving one.

[Chris_R]

I don't think we can just "let go" a centre back who is a good bit younger than our current starters who we're worried might lose all pace at any given moment.

 

He's proven he's more than capable in the PL. If Burn and SChar suddenly become immobile statues and we can't play them it's not about him being 5th choice anymore, it's about him suddenly being 3rd choice. Or even second choice as he's 4th now..

 

We need legs in that central defence, or at least the option of them. We cannot rely on a central defence devoid of any pace at all.

 

(I caveat this with not knwing how he'll return from a horrible injury but I assume the club know enough on his progress to be confidenet)

[Hanshithispantz]

1 hour ago, nufcjmc said:

I don't think that's fair I don't need reminding the leadership group has done things to drive the culture change from the "just go out and play lads" approach. However we need to eventually move on 40/50k sitting on the sidelines clapping is not healthy for the club who need to progress. He's played his part from the treatment table but if we can't keep standards up with full internationals in the side then I would be worried at this stage. 

 

Getting Europe this season should be a call to push on and progress not keep Gillespie, Jamaal and such a cushy extension with the justification to keep the group together. 

 

 

 

 

It's not fair to call him a cheerleader either. He's decent backup, if needed he will play when fit, it was the same with Ritchie and Dummett although Lascelles is a level above what they were when they left. You could bring a better player in to pack the bench but you're going to have to spend time and resources bringing them up to speed and hope they gel with the group.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:11 by Hanshithispantz

[TBG]

3 hours ago, r0cafella said:

We reading anything to the extensions of Krafu, Fabi and Jammy? Wasn't expecting us to renew all 3. 

 

Burn had an extension as well didn't he?

 

Would suggest to me a back four of Krafth, Schar, Lascelles, Burn next season.

 

Not a good start to our summer business. Mitchell must speak. Now.

[STM]

I still think he will leave.

 

When another CB is brought in, he might just fancy a move.

 

He'd be a good signing for Burnley, Leeds etc. Easy to forget he started in the PSG game for us (i think).

[Likelylad]

He was decent against them n all. Got back well against I think Dembelle to put him off balance?

 

Guess it depends what shape he’s in post a big injury. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

Ashley apologist, he can go fuck himself. He also stuck up for Bruce when he was sacked saying it was the players fault.

 

Fuck off back to Nottingham you scabby leech.

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, nufcjmc said:

Totally get that squad rebuild already has a shopping list and I don't follow our youth sides to know if any can fill that gap. 

 

However on the flip side next summer we could be talking about needed a schar, burn, Trips, kraft and lascelles replacements on one fell swoop if they all stay this year and go the  next this will be hard to do financially but also at risk of breaking up the defensive unit in one fell swoop. Letting Lascelles go now may add a shopping item to this summer but would give a chance to maybe sign a young player and give them 12 months on the fringe to wait for their chance to step up. 

I assume at least 1 will be kept a further year. Probably 2 or 3.  
 

We need to add quality to this team.  I’d rather push players down the pecking order where possible than sign squad fillers.  
 

He might end up being sold anyway.  
 

We’ll sign a prime time CB this summer. We must.  So I’m not worried about Jamaal if he stays or goes. 

[joeyt]

3 hours ago, 54 said:

Gillespie is a training keeper, who's probably on £10k a week, absolutely nothing wrong with him being around.

 

You could get any goalkeeper from the youth set up to do that and save £500k a year

[Menace]

We're not really Ratcliffe though are we

[Jamesmcc222]

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

You could get any goalkeeper from the youth set up to do that and save £500k a year

Currently one of our major advantages over the established ‘big’ clubs is the intangible aspect of team spirit.

 

You can see from the celebrations how involved Lascelles, Gillespie and others are in the squad.

 

Eddie can be ruthless as seen with Fraser and others. I think right now however these guys, and that squad togetherness is well worth the money and places in the squad. 

[Chris_R]

5 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

You could get any goalkeeper from the youth set up to do that and save £500k a year

 

But that player then wouldn't be progressing their skills as a goalkeeper, aside from maybe shot stopping, as Gillespie's job is just to spend all day having shots pelted at him. There's more to GK training than that, adn whoever took up that role from the youth setup would effectively be sacrificing their career.

[joeyt]

Fair point

[nufcjmc]

9 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said:

It's not fair to call him a cheerleader either. He's decent backup, if needed he will play when fit, it was the same with Ritchie and Dummett although Lascelles is a level above what they were when they left. You could bring a better player in to pack the bench but you're going to have to spend time and resources bringing them up to speed and hope they gel with the group.

 

 

 

I don't want him getting regular mins and have doubts he will come back and do a job with such a  long lay off he's had and his age.

 

He's an older pro and can do a job if needed that's it to me. He is in the leadership group and was allowed to keep the word captain against his name but what he did to get us here I cannot say as I don't know.  But works both ways I also cannot say he played a great deal into it either.

 

I want to upgrade the first 11 and ideally see players who don't sell become our squad the issue at centre half is that all these players are aging out. Keep schar and BDB yes played loads now and maybe playing less will extend their careers but would rather not extend every old player to kick the issue of recruitment down the road. Hence why ideally lascells gets let go and Howe gets a young under 23 under no pressure to start and use his magic hall give him a year to integrate but they are in and around the first team. 

 

It felt like a good time to see him lift a trophy get fit and be let go. 

 

We all know in a non PSR world alot of the old regime players would have been cycled out by now.

 

[tgarve]

11 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Ashley apologist, he can go fuck himself. He also stuck up for Bruce when he was sacked saying it was the players fault.

 

Fuck off back to Nottingham you scabby leech.

Tosser

[Dr.Spaceman]

8 hours ago, tgarve said:

Tosser

 

[jonny1403]

15 hours ago, nufcjmc said:

I don't want him getting regular mins and have doubts he will come back and do a job with such a  long lay off he's had and his age.

 

He's an older pro and can do a job if needed that's it to me. He is in the leadership group and was allowed to keep the word captain against his name but what he did to get us here I cannot say as I don't know.  But works both ways I also cannot say he played a great deal into it either.

 

I want to upgrade the first 11 and ideally see players who don't sell become our squad the issue at centre half is that all these players are aging out. Keep schar and BDB yes played loads now and maybe playing less will extend their careers but would rather not extend every old player to kick the issue of recruitment down the road. Hence why ideally lascells gets let go and Howe gets a young under 23 under no pressure to start and use his magic hall give him a year to integrate but they are in and around the first team. 

 

It felt like a good time to see him lift a trophy get fit and be let go. 

 

We all know in a non PSR world alot of the old regime players would have been cycled out by now.

 

 

He's going to be fifth choice CB. That's absolutely fine for another year. He's not Paul Dummett ffs. 

[Slim]

Seems a nice guy. Whenever I have seen him in public.