Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 1 upfront doesn't work Aye just the majority of football uses 1 upfront but nah it don't work. There is no such thing and doesn't work, it's just a question of quality and coaching. Such an english attitude that, not scoring enough goals? ALL THE STRIKERS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 1 upfront doesn't work Aye just the majority of football uses 1 upfront but nah it don't work. There is no such thing and doesn't work, it's just a question of quality and coaching. Such an english attitude that, not scoring enough goals? ALL THE STRIKERS! Not said it doesnt work as a formation, but with the players we have & where we are at currently. We are not fluid enough to involve one man upfront, he is just isolated constantly & our ability to cross the ball and pick him out is awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I think in the second half that aspect of our play improved a lot, a big problem for some time has been that the wide players were so conservative under Pardew (Gouff etc.) that our attacking play normally consisted of just Sissoko and the striker with little support coming from elsewhere. I think with the likes of Wijnaldum and de Jong in the team, both of whom seem to be intelligent runners off the ball we should see the striker being less isolated. Don't really see many scenarios where 4-4-2 can be successful for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought de Jong looked good when he came on, personally. Aye, he looks a very clever player. Think him & Mitrovic has potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought de Jong looked good when he came on, personally. Still don't feel like I know what to make of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 A slim Nolan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 1 upfront doesn't work Aye just the majority of football uses 1 upfront but nah it don't work. There is no such thing and doesn't work, it's just a question of quality and coaching. Such an english attitude that, not scoring enough goals? ALL THE STRIKERS! Not said it doesnt work as a formation, but with the players we have & where we are at currently. We are not fluid enough to involve one man upfront, he is just isolated constantly & our ability to cross the ball and pick him out is awful. I've been saying this for a while. Dunno where these signs are that we're suddenly going to start playing well enough as a team to leave a goalscorer out. Not saying that won't ever come, but I haven't seen anything yet to suggest we're better off with only one striker on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Perez has to start, i don't give a s*** where, but he has to! One of few players that has technical ability and intelligence. even in the short time he was on, he was a class above. his vision, touch, passing and movement were just quality. though anita did ok. whole back 4 and colback were poor. haidara seems to have regressed. we have a few quality forward players but there seems to be no structure or pattern and it just seems to be a hoy 'em all in and hope for a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 1 upfront doesn't work Aye just the majority of football uses 1 upfront but nah it don't work. There is no such thing and doesn't work, it's just a question of quality and coaching. Such an english attitude that, not scoring enough goals? ALL THE STRIKERS! Not said it doesnt work as a formation, but with the players we have & where we are at currently. We are not fluid enough to involve one man upfront, he is just isolated constantly & our ability to cross the ball and pick him out is awful. Didn't look that isolated to me, in his limited time on the pitch he had a header, a tap in that he should of scored and all in all we maintained attacks a lot better with him. There's no reason at all that the likes of De Jong, Wijnaldum, Perez, Aarons and Sissoko can't create chances for him. This is going to take time for it all to come together for a multitude of different reasons but i don't see a reason why it can't eventually. At least on paper that is, it's up to McClaren and the coaching staff to coach all that into them and eradicate the crap Pardew has grained into them. Also the players themselves fully adapting to each other and the tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Sissoko was absolute toilet again today I'm really hoping someone is really in for him. At the moment he is keeping both Perez and Aarons out of the team, and that is bloody ridiculous. He's been so bad man. Watching him, Cisse and Haidarra constantly miscontrol and misplace the ball today was just too much. Cisse better not start the game next Saturday. Bring him on if we are really struggling and are desperate for a goal. His lack of concentration, effort and just his generally lazy body language is infuriating, and constantly has us on the back foot from the outset. The difference upfront once Mitrovic came on was significant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why can't we try Sissoko in the middle again. Watching him play wide is too fucking awkward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why can't we try Sissoko in the middle again. Watching him play wide is too f***ing awkward. There's no place for him really unless you drop De Jong or go with your idea of playing him alongside Wijnaldum and whether you like that or not McClaren won't do it. I'm with Kaka tbh, if playing him on the wing means no Aarons or Perez i would rather see him sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why can't we try Sissoko in the middle again. Watching him play wide is too f***ing awkward. There's no place for him really unless you drop De Jong or go with your idea of playing him alongside Wijnaldum and whether you like that or not McClaren won't do it. I'm with Kaka tbh, if playing him on the wing means no Aarons or Perez i would rather see him sold. Yep, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 That lineup we ended with has huge potential. Just exclude Colback for Anita. De jong and Wijnaldum pushing forward from midfield. Mitrovic flanked by Aarons and Perez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It was Perez who played the ball to De Jong who then put it on a plate for Mitrovic, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 That lineup we ended with has huge potential. Just exclude Colback for Anita. De jong and Wijnaldum pushing forward from midfield. Mitrovic flanked by Aarons and Perez. No coincidence that it includes the most technical and intelligent 6 players we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It was Perez who played the ball to De Jong who then put it on a plate for Mitrovic, right? Aye! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattfare Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Colback is nailed on to start no matter what though. He probably got his hands on Shola's photoshopped pictures of managers shagging sheep that he can use for blackmailing his way into the starting lineup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Didn't see Colback do anything apart from silly fouls. What a waste of a position in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattfare Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Didn't see Colback do anything apart from silly fouls. What a waste of a position in the team. Grit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 We are undoubtedly stronger than we were 12 months ago and even Pardew managed to have us in a decent position pre Christmas. I just think the team that finished in the second half could be a very good one. Perez has had a full season under his belt and I think he will get better and better, I think Mitrovic is going to wreak havoc and De Jong will come good obviously depending on him staying fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 There was a moment in the first-half where Haidara made a run behind the full-back when Colback on the ball. Would have taken a good pass to make it, one which a good Premier League player you'd have fancy to have made 7 or 8 time out of 10, but instead, he turned back and passed it to Anita. And there lies the problem with Colback for me. We might be a solid mid-table side with someone like him, but no more. He's arguably the most important player in the side in that he is meant to set the tone, the pace of our passing, etc. But instead of trying to make something happen, he's happy just to keep the ball. We will do nothing as long as Colback is a Newcastle player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why can't we try Sissoko in the middle again. Watching him play wide is too f***ing awkward. There's no place for him really unless you drop De Jong or go with your idea of playing him alongside Wijnaldum and whether you like that or not McClaren won't do it. I'm with Kaka tbh, if playing him on the wing means no Aarons or Perez i would rather see him sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyt Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Well, drop De Jong then. Easy. What has he ever done to be a guaranteed starter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Haven't seen any pre-season games but the reports have been poor - that doesn't mean we are going to have a bad season but the main problem is surely that the new players have not been signed quickly enough. Pre-season is all about working up an understanding between the players, especially when a new manager and coaching team are in place and there had not been enough time for the 3 additions to get on the same wavelength as their new colleagues. All this is down to the grindingly-slow negotiations being held by the board, doubtlessly aimed at keeping costs down until income starts coming in. If people think back to 1995, we signed players like Ferdinand, Barton and Ginola quickly and all the new signings that came in had plenty of time to gel...we hit the ground running and almost won the league - that is never going to happen under this owner but we are STILL short of a decent CB and striker. I am not too worried about Mitrovic yet as he is young and will improve - he also has a decent record at a high level but will need PL experience ; crazy decision to play Mbemba at RB when we desperately need a decent CB pairing - he will be really tested next week and experiments with only one friendly left were not the way to go....he also will need to adjust to the PL quickly and it aint easy in the first season. Wijnaldum obviously has a proven pedigree and will be an asset when he adjusts to the pace but it seems to me that Aarons and Perez are going to be crucial to forward success. Aarons' injury record is a worry and we have to hope he stays fit - also that if he does, nobody comes in with a bid in Jan..... Once the real action starts, we will have a better idea of what is going to happen but with the current side it is hard to see a finish above 10th-12th place...the addition of a PROVEN CB and Striker may make a big difference to that - we shall see.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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