Jonjo Shelvey (now playing for Burnley)

[Thiago]

4 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

He’s a player who thrives when the going is good, but can’t motivate himself when it’s not so good.

 

He’d never drag us out of the shit by the scruff of the neck, he’d be stood watching it happen around him.

Yeah, I don't debate that, I mean more that now things are moving in a positive direction are we about to see some consistency. You could usually set your watch to our fortunes fading when his does. 

[Dr Jinx]

He’s played far far worse and not said a word. If he’s turned a page in terms of attitude then fair enough.

 

It wasn’t his worst game at all yesterday, we didn’t really have much of the ball and he chased down their players as much as Willock did, created a nice chance over the top for ASM.

 

If he’s identified that he’s hitting that slump and is working to re-motivate himself, great, hopefully it doesn’t take months like it previously has. It’s not as much of a concern as it has been previously with Bruno waiting for his chance.

 

I’m aware that I sound like am being harsh on him but leopards don’t change their spots etc

[Shush]

Yeah the ball over the top for ASM was class from Shelvey, could have easily led to a goal.

 

Overall he just seemed to drop his performance levels that we have seen recently from him against Brighton. Could be the extra man in midfield for them making it complicated, but felt he struggled to see enough of the ball and didn't use it when he had it to his best as much. Maybe also seemed tired. Seems to be a perfect opportunity against Southampton to bring Bruno in for him, then bring Shelvey on late on in that game if needed.

 

Feel like it's right time for Bruno to shine now.

[Kid Icarus]

Have we reached the point where players apologise to the fan after winning?

[Thumbheed]

I actually thought that was one of his poorer games tbh but still levels above anything he's produced in the previous 2 years. 

 

I'm actually a fan of the fact he's actually applying himself for once and still think his selection in the team is merited based on his recent performances, but yesterday probably highlighted why we need someone who knows how to play that particular role and who won't be phased when playing against teams who dominate possesion like Brighton did. 

 

 

 

 

[Yorkie]

This isn't the first resurgence we've seen from Shelvey. He went through a couple of spells under Rafa where you could tell he was really putting the miles in on and off the training ground and he was effective for doing so. The latter half of 17/18 in particular springs to mind. But his runs of form have always had a life expectancy of a few months before he inevitably tails off and we're back to him being a liability.

 

Tbh I don't even think he's that good even when he's in form. Decent enough, for sure, but I can't remember many games where I've thought he was absolutely fantastic out anything. 

 

I think he's a decent enough bloke and, on reflection, the slagging of his character has probably been unfair in the past because he wouldn't have survived Rafa or even Howe if he didn't have generally decent mentality and application. But I would have absolutely no problems with him being sold in the summer. I was ready to never see him in the side again only six or seven weeks ago. 

[STM]

Again, it comes down to recruitment plans. We can't shift/buy a whole squad and it wouldn't be wise to.

 

I think natural progression would see Shelvey playing second fiddle to Bruno or another new signing, next season.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

This trend of apologising for anything slightly negative has to stop like.

[wormy]

I think it's as simple as he's very easily suggestible. If he's allowed to slack off he'll slack off. If he's forced to put the effort in then he'll do so and after a while you'll see an uptick in performances.

 

He's played a part in this fantastic run and I'll be grateful for that. But he's not someone I want to rely on if we aim to improve year on year. Keep him around another year or two if he's happy to play a bit part but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. 

[Thiago]

4 hours ago, Yorkie said:

This isn't the first resurgence we've seen from Shelvey. He went through a couple of spells under Rafa where you could tell he was really putting the miles in on and off the training ground and he was effective for doing so. The latter half of 17/18 in particular springs to mind. But his runs of form have always had a life expectancy of a few months before he inevitably tails off and we're back to him being a liability.

 

Tbh I don't even think he's that good even when he's in form. Decent enough, for sure, but I can't remember many games where I've thought he was absolutely fantastic out anything. 

 

I think he's a decent enough bloke and, on reflection, the slagging of his character has probably been unfair in the past because he wouldn't have survived Rafa or even Howe if he didn't have generally decent mentality and application. But I would have absolutely no problems with him being sold in the summer. I was ready to never see him in the side again only six or seven weeks ago. 

He's a 11-16th place player.

[dcmk]

 

 

From what I recall he has always been a really harsh critic of himself.  So don't think it's out of the ordinary.

 

 

[1892er]

Thought other than a bad error first half, he played really well. Quality assist.

[Big River]

Shelvey speaks - https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/shelvey-we-showed-such-character/

[Oregon_Geordie]

Bar a couple a of times he lost the ball, I thought he was fantastic again. The amount of ground he covers now in one game is equal to a season under Bruce.

I also think not having Big Joe next to him today took him a little time to get used too.

 

Great ball, great tracking back and blocking. Well Played!

[samptime29]

I'm fine with Shelvey sub midfielder next season. 

[Comegetasample]

5 minutes ago, HUGZ said:

Shelvey speaks - https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/shelvey-we-showed-such-character/

 

Good chat. who is that running shuttles behind him? do the teams do warm downs or something ?

[The Bonk]

20 minutes ago, Comegetasample said:

 

Good chat. who is that running shuttles behind him? do the teams do warm downs or something ?

 

Imagine it's the bench players.

[Kid Icarus]

Love that Fraser is referred to as Wee Man in quite a formal way, like that's what it says on his post.

[Nine]

Some sloppy moments tonight but overall he had another good game, what a ball in for Wood.

[Lush Vlad]

Both he and Bruno covered the cut back into the box really well. Often seemed to anticipate it and be in the right place when they were tracking back. 
 

After a shaky start, he looked really good. What is more impressive, that it was mainly due to his defensive work. Not for his quality passing or anything. Although that delightful cross for Wood’s goal obviously helped.
 

I thought he looked better having someone next to him in a more conventional midfield and not playing on his own in front of the centre backs. 

[Newcastle Fan]

Thought he was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday, put it a lot of good tackles and moved the ball around really well.

[mouldy_uk]

I actually love watching his work rate under Howe as it’s night and day compared to under Bruce. 

[Guest HTT II]

Massive work ethic, but average overall for me. Romeu bossed him and showed him how to do all that defensive work, spray simple passes about and not get caught in possession or ball watching. 

[Guest HTT II]

I do like how it seems his finger pointing (to others) seems to have disappeared from his game. It’s like his mind is now occupied with what he has to do rather what others have to or should. That’s always been an issue with his game.

[buzza]

Apart from when he was dispossessed in the first half, he had a solid game. A 100 times what he was under Bruce!

Good cross for the goal and was a decent outlet most of the time. 

We can´t ask him to be a defensive destroyer because he will never be that, but his positional play and covering of passing lines was pretty good yesterday. I actually thought the link up with Bruno was very good.

P.S. We sorely missed the power pack that is Joe Linton in midfield, they won too many of the disputes in the middle, and oreol had too easy a game for me.