Guest Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Hasn't Short being pumping his own money into thr club over the past 4 or 5 years just to make up the shortfall in their finances after wages etc? If he didn't they'd have gone tits up. Fairly certain that's how the outside see Ashley & NUFC so not going to criticise Sunderland fans if they're not happy with their owner's ambition, motives, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Hasn't Short being pumping his own money into thr club over the past 4 or 5 years just to make up the shortfall in their finances after wages etc? If he didn't they'd have gone tits up. Fairly certain that's how the outside see Ashley & NUFC so not going to criticise Sunderland fans if they're not happy with their owner's ambition, motives, etc. Totally different. Newcastle are a huge club capable of generating large revenues meaning that Ashley can, and is making money out of the club. Short needs to pump in £30m of his own money every year just to keep sunderland afloat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What have Stoke, for example, got that Sunderland don't? Particularly 8-9 years ago when Sunderland were only a year up and Stoke had just been promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Hasn't Short being pumping his own money into thr club over the past 4 or 5 years just to make up the shortfall in their finances after wages etc? If he didn't they'd have gone tits up. Fairly certain that's how the outside see Ashley & NUFC so not going to criticise Sunderland fans if they're not happy with their owner's ambition, motives, etc. Aye, because how outsiders see the club matters more than actual reality. Short has invested vast sums of his own money into Sunderland. Ashley has not and is using the club as his personal free advertising space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14704950.Why_can_t_Sunderland_compete_financially___and_is_Ellis_Short_to_blame_/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 My dad has a Sunderland season ticket, he reckons they have even taken the salt and pepper away from the catering concessions they are so skint. Apparently the free coffee machines have gone from the training ground as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 My dad has a Sunderland season ticket, he reckons they have even taken the salt and pepper away from the catering concessions they are so skint. Apparently the free coffee machines have gone from the training ground as well. Ashley levels right there. Remember when he cut the bait for reporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What have Stoke, for example, got that Sunderland don't? Particularly 8-9 years ago when Sunderland were only a year up and Stoke had just been promoted. I'd guess Bet 365, a huge global operation which makes a lot out of football and is prepared to reinvest back into the game, principally through Stoke City. There can't be any other reason for their enduring strong situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 What have Stoke, for example, got that Sunderland don't? Particularly 8-9 years ago when Sunderland were only a year up and Stoke had just been promoted. I'd guess Bet 365, a huge global operation which makes a lot out of football and is prepared to reinvest back into the game, principally through Stoke City. There can't be any other reason for their enduring strong situation. The biggest single reason why Stoke have endured, is stability, during their entire PL life they've had two manager's and both like them or not are adept at working with smallish budgets and surviving comfortably in the big league. They've been perfect appointments for the club, Hughes has tried to add a bit of quality to the graft they already had, and they seem to have a pretty well balanced squad, which has not cost a great fortune to build. They've spent sensibly within their means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 The difference between Stoke and the mackems is that the mackems have overspent by tens of millions each year. Stoke have bought and sold well, whilst also charging people to go to their games rather than giving away an extortionate amount of tickets each game. One is run by fairly intelligent folk, the other has been run into the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 That's pretty much it. Stability, gradual improvement, then used the TV money, etc. wisely. Short has been as short-term (no pun intended) as they come, spent millions on paying off poor manager to replace them with poor manager after poor manager, and did go a spell where he spent relatively big (around the Bruce/O'Neill reigns I'm thinking), and had a top 10 wage bill when they were fighting survival every year. Can see exactly why they don't like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, I can see why they don't like him. He's been utterly incompetent in who he has appointed in pretty much every important position at the club, but the one thing they can't really put at his feet is a lack of funding. His money pretty much kept them up despite being massively mismanaged for years. From his perspective it's clear to see why he doesn't want to put even more in for so little return. Edit: that 2016 article you posted on the last page is spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Stoke also don't seem to assess success or failure entirely in relation to how well Port Vale are doing, which probably helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, I can see why they don't like him. He's been utterly incompetent in who he has appointed in pretty much every important position at the club, but the one thing they can't really put at his feet is a lack of funding. His money pretty much kept them up despite being massively mismanaged for years. From his perspective it's clear to see why he doesn't want to put even more in for so little return. Edit: that 2016 article you posted on the last page is spot on The managers he has appointed in O'Neill, Bruce, Poyet, Di Canio, Advocaat, Allardce and Moyes were all met with widespread approval by their fans and on the face of it, other than perhaps Di Canio looked like pretty sound choices for a club like Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, I can see why they don't like him. He's been utterly incompetent in who he has appointed in pretty much every important position at the club, but the one thing they can't really put at his feet is a lack of funding. His money pretty much kept them up despite being massively mismanaged for years. From his perspective it's clear to see why he doesn't want to put even more in for so little return. Edit: that 2016 article you posted on the last page is spot on The managers he has appointed in O'Neill, Bruce, Poyet, Di Canio, Advocaat, Allardce and Moyes were all met with widespread approval by their fans and on the face of it, other than perhaps Di Canio looked like pretty sound choices for a club like Sunderland. Aye, that's fair enough. They all failed to deliver though. Maybe it's just their club culture that is completely rotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, I can see why they don't like him. He's been utterly incompetent in who he has appointed in pretty much every important position at the club, but the one thing they can't really put at his feet is a lack of funding. His money pretty much kept them up despite being massively mismanaged for years. From his perspective it's clear to see why he doesn't want to put even more in for so little return. Edit: that 2016 article you posted on the last page is spot on The managers he has appointed in O'Neill, Bruce, Poyet, Di Canio, Advocaat, Allardce and Moyes were all met with widespread approval by their fans and on the face of it, other than perhaps Di Canio looked like pretty sound choices for a club like Sunderland. This - and he's backed every manager too! He must DESPISE Niall Quinn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Saw an awesome stat on Twitter that Newcastle have won as many points in Wales in 2017, as what Sunderland have in Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I enjoyed a tweet saying new born babies wouldn't have been conceived since Sunderland last won at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Hull are pretty shite too. Could be a big confidence booster for whichever wins at the weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Right up there with "Gaycastle" https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/harry-kane-is-better-than-shitrah-in-his-prime.1391301/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Tbf most poster gave him a lot of shit for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Tbf most poster gave him a lot of s*** for that. Aye. Was just ganna say i didnt see anyone agree with the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Is that Shitrah who used to play for poocastle, spewcastle, scumcastle who are nicknamed the magpiss. All used over there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Now working for the BBC in the magedia, aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Scoring goals in front of the Gallowshite at Sid James' Park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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