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Minhosa

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I hope they don't listen to the cheaper and moronic championship experience argument.

 

You're talking about a bloke who appointed Joe Kinnear twice. He's appointed a paper shuffling yes man to run the club on a day to day basis and had no plan B for Alan fucking Pardew.

 

That's a big ask.

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Mick

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If Mike Ashley does not recognise that nothing at the club is working other than the exposure for his shop (which will now be much reduced) then he never will.  Having Rafa here gives the club a huge opportunity to stop the rot and turn themselves into a proper football club again and they would be stupid to ignore it.

 

I don't think any of the other suggested managerial options have the same potential to rebuild a club from top to bottom.

 

Obviously his wages would be a problem with the Fair Play restrictions in the Championship but I would rather we sold a player purely to fund those wages than lose Rafa.

 

I just hope that if Rafa leaves that it is his decision rather than the club's.  it would be heartbreaking if he wanted to stay and the club decided not to keep him.

That's basically what I think.
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Paully

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How much is Rafa's salary?

 

If that's paid off by half of a Janmaat/Sissoko sale, he'll be worth every penny in the Championship. Should be a no-brainer.

 

 

Rumoured to be 75% of what Shelvey's is!

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If Mike Ashley does not recognise that nothing at the club is working other than the exposure for his shop (which will now be much reduced) then he never will.  Having Rafa here gives the club a huge opportunity to stop the rot and turn themselves into a proper football club again and they would be stupid to ignore it.

 

I don't think any of the other suggested managerial options have the same potential to rebuild a club from top to bottom.

 

Obviously his wages would be a problem with the Fair Play restrictions in the Championship but I would rather we sold a player purely to fund those wages than lose Rafa.

 

I just hope that if Rafa leaves that it is his decision rather than the club's.  it would be heartbreaking if he wanted to stay and the club decided not to keep him.

 

Considering how much money we've lost under the cheap manager option, I would have thought it was a bit of a no brainer to pay more for someone who will actually grow the club and make it much more viable as a business within a year or two. I still think Rafa would stay if he's convinced the board are prepared to give him full control. It's only the release clause which keeps some doubt in the back of my mind, but that was always likely to be part of the deal considering our position at the time.

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Teasy

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I haven't seen obvious change in transfer policy.

True, weve been spending 80M every season since Ashley took over.

 

On English players :lol:

 

I don't see the 80m panic spend as a policy change per se. The funds available and transfer policy aren't the same thing. We're still going for the same deals that don't address the imbalance the team. Fed up of hearing about this 80m. It'll be chump change in a few years within the prem and the club makes significant profits each year. The English players thing; I was impressed by the Shelvey signing and Townsend has a goal in him, don't really care about English players though and that seems to be the reason they were signed over needs elsewhere. I get the policy change argument; but McClaren still had little say and acquisitions were still based on Carrs little list of favours and ultimately have been our downfall this season. It's hardly been a case of but things have been so different? How did it go so wrong?

 

Don't think anyone believes our transfer policy has altered beyond all recognition, just that their have been obvious changes, and their have been.  Unfortunately the biggest similarity to previous windows is still there.  Which is leaving too many glaring gaps in the side.

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Kanj

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If Rafa stays, I couldn't give a single f*** who he decides to keep or get rid of - that includes the likes of Mitro and Perez. He's had and will continue to have my full 100% trust and support.

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If Rafa stays, I couldn't give a single f*** who he decides to keep or get rid of - that includes the likes of Mitro and Perez. He's had and will continue to have my full 100% trust and support.

 

Agreed. Though, apropos of nothing, I have a feeling both those guys would be top of his list of players to build around.

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Darth Crooks

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I haven't seen obvious change in transfer policy.

True, weve been spending 80M every season since Ashley took over.

 

On English players :lol:

 

I don't see the 80m panic spend as a policy change per se. The funds available and transfer policy aren't the same thing. We're still going for the same deals that don't address the imbalance the team. Fed up of hearing about this 80m. It'll be chump change in a few years within the prem and the club makes significant profits each year. The English players thing; I was impressed by the Shelvey signing and Townsend has a goal in him, don't really care about English players though and that seems to be the reason they were signed over needs elsewhere. I get the policy change argument; but McClaren still had little say and acquisitions were still based on Carrs little list of favours and ultimately have been our downfall this season. It's hardly been a case of but things have been so different? How did it go so wrong?

 

Don't think anyone believes our transfer policy has altered beyond all recognition, just that their have been obvious changes, and their have been.  Unfortunately the biggest similarity to previous windows is still there.  Which is leaving too many glaring gaps in the side.

 

Fair comment. It hasn't made a difference however you view it.

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mickthemagpie

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If Mike Ashley does not recognise that nothing at the club is working other than the exposure for his shop (which will now be much reduced) then he never will.  Having Rafa here gives the club a huge opportunity to stop the rot and turn themselves into a proper football club again and they would be stupid to ignore it.

 

I don't think any of the other suggested managerial options have the same potential to rebuild a club from top to bottom.

 

Obviously his wages would be a problem with the Fair Play restrictions in the Championship but I would rather we sold a player purely to fund those wages than lose Rafa.

 

I just hope that if Rafa leaves that it is his decision rather than the club's.  it would be heartbreaking if he wanted to stay and the club decided not to keep him.

 

Considering how much money we've lost under the cheap manager option, I would have thought it was a bit of a no brainer to pay more for someone who will actually grow the club and make it much more viable as a business within a year or two. I still think Rafa would stay if he's convinced the board are prepared to give him full control. It's only the release clause which keeps some doubt in the back of my mind, but that was always likely to be part of the deal considering our position at the time.

 

Just as well since brains appear to be in short supply at SJP.

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Bimpy474

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Imo i think we've appointed one of the best long term managers but probably the wrong short term one for trying to stay up.

 

Rafa likes to build his teams from the back, being unable to do that he's come into a team with an awful defence and simply can't turn it around. I'm not really sure anyone else could of either tbh because the players are utterly awful.

 

If he's given the time and money then he'll be a massive success here, it's just whether he stays and he gets the chance to mould and build the club as he sees fit.

 

 

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JH

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Love all the logic and thought flying around this thread.

 

Unfortunately we probably wouldn't even be in this position if we had a ownership/management that took the logical option :(

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Kanj

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Gazette reporting that the club are planning on doing everything they can to keep him if we go down.

 

I have my doubts.

 

The worst part about that article are words like "considering" and "impressed" like they are still fucking pondering if keeping a world class manager is a good idea and that they are impressed or surprised in the manner in which he's going about trying to keep this club up.

 

There isn't another answer here, the solution is hire Rafa long-term, give him whatever he wants, and let him rebuild the club. He says he wants X staff or this rebuilt or that scout or etc. they go and get it fucking done.

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To be honest, if Rafa was locked on to stay and he had the authority within the club that he wants, I would be satisfied to be relegated.  It would give Rafa the time to clear the club out with the reduced pressure of lowered expectations and to ensure that when we finally return to the Premier League we would be doing so with a well run club, a winning attitude, and a squad of players who are desperate to perform well for their manager, their club, and their supporters.

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Bimpy474

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To be honest, if Rafa was locked on to stay and he had the authority within the club that he wants, I would be satisfied to be relegated.  It would give Rafa the time to clear the club out with the reduced pressure of lowered expectations and to ensure that when we finally return to the Premier League we would be doing so with a well run club, a winning attitude, and a squad of players who are desperate to perform well for their manager, their club, and their supporters.

 

Right now the one and only thing i'm actually looking forward to if we go down, is seeing Adam Armstrong playing up top for us in the Championship. If we stay up i don't think he'll play much and be loaned out again (no bad thing to be fair getting game time).

 

It'll just be nice to see him scoring for us and hopefully becoming a top player.

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HawK

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Same, if we knew Rafa was staying I wouldn't really care about going down.

 

same.

 

A season in the Championship could be the making of Mitrovic too if Rafa's at the helm.

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