Ronaldo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Remember Bellamy saying that in his autobiography. Said it was symptomatic of him not trusting his players iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Remember Bellamy saying that in his autobiography. Said it was symptomatic of him not trusting his players iirc. Tbf how many would trust Bellamy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Well, Bobby trusted him. But that isn't the point, none of the players find out his team until 2 hours or less before KO. It's just the way he is, anyway. It ties in with the rest of his style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 There's no way of doing it that won't bother some players, let them know day before some will just get in a strop from then. In a team with a settled starting 11 it may make sense to let know changes further in advance but I don't think that Benitez thinks of his team in the sense of a strongest 11 and then players coming in and out to patch up injuries etc, I think Benitez thinks of a plan then chops and changes the players to fit that. I can understand why it may be infuriating for players but Rafa is entitled to say the onus is on the players to get used to it, and that being dropped for a game doesn't mean you won't play the next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 There's not a single player in that squad who should be guaranteed a place so that's fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Well, Bobby trusted him. But that isn't the point, none of the players find out his team until 2 hours or less before KO. It's just the way he is, anyway. It ties in with the rest of his style. IMO, the longer he has with the squad, the less of an issue this will become. He wants all the squad to be able to play together interchangeably with similar effectiveness and cohesity. This will be shown up at its weakest early in his tenure, as fringe players get used more than they did before, and 'first teamers' rotated more. Everyone's on edge as it will be a big change, especially for our squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Sooner he realises Perez is utter dogshit, the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Can't say i'm a massive fan of some of the things Rafa does with the team selections, yet it's won him multiple trophies in different countries. It's something we have to get used to, it's just him and why he's so successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The swings from him being a genius to his tactics and general philosophies on the game being seriously questioned and back again from match to match are both hilarious and quite sad. Not just in this thread, I mean across the forum. Signings, players, formations, the rotation policy; everything. By all accounts we were just as shit today as we were excellent on Tuesday. It's absolutely symptomatic of a team and entire fucking organisation that's still finding its feet with a revolutionised squad under a brand new manager and coaching staff, and an apparent complete change in approach to running a football club. This after literally years and years of deliberate lack of investment, almost 100% lack of ambition and suitably chronic underachievement. It's no coincidence IMO that we've not drawn any games so far. Even when we went down last time things were more stable than they were before Benitez came in for fuck's sake. Obviously nobody is beyond criticism when it's due but though I'm still very confident of promotion, turning this wretched ship around is going to take longer than nine matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 He's probably the most successful manager a lot of us will ever see at NUFC. He can shit in the centre circle for all I care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 There's no way of doing it that won't bother some players That's another thing, like. There's no managerial style that won't have an overall negative effect on certain personality types, especially in football. Benitez's polar opposite is probably someone like Ancelotti. He trusts his players on and off the field implicitly and allows them to express themselves as opposed to being part of a controlled and overall tactically restrictive setup. Obviously this works with the top players who can be trusted to maintain a professional and intelligent approach to the game but it would probably struggle with middle-of-the-road shit. Likewise, Benitez won't ever really have success at the top clubs because players at the very top of the game tend not to react well to absolute autocracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 We've lost the second half record though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Can't say i'm a massive fan of some of the things Rafa does with the team selections, yet it's won him multiple trophies in different countries. It's something we have to get used to, it's just him and why he's so successful. Doesn't mean you shouldn't say when you think he got it wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Rafas got this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Can't say i'm a massive fan of some of the things Rafa does with the team selections, yet it's won him multiple trophies in different countries. It's something we have to get used to, it's just him and why he's so successful. Doesn't mean you shouldn't say when you think he got it wrong. Very true, no one should be beyond criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The swings from him being a genius to his tactics and general philosophies on the game being seriously questioned and back again from match to match are both hilarious and quite sad. Not just in this thread, I mean across the forum. Signings, players, formations, the rotation policy; everything. By all accounts we were just as shit today as we were excellent on Tuesday. It's absolutely symptomatic of a team and entire fucking organisation that's still finding its feet with a revolutionised squad under a brand new manager and coaching staff, and an apparent complete change in approach to running a football club. This after literally years and years of deliberate lack of investment, almost 100% lack of ambition and suitably chronic underachievement. It's no coincidence IMO that we've not drawn any games so far. Even when we went down last time things were more stable than they were before Benitez came in for fuck's sake. Obviously nobody is beyond criticism when it's due but though I'm still very confident of promotion, turning this wretched ship around is going to take longer than nine matches. Tremendous post Dave. Proper nailed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Can't say i'm a massive fan of some of the things Rafa does with the team selections, yet it's won him multiple trophies in different countries. It's something we have to get used to, it's just him and why he's so successful. Doesn't mean you shouldn't say when you think he got it wrong. Very true, no one should be beyond criticism. Except me....obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Can't say i'm a massive fan of some of the things Rafa does with the team selections, yet it's won him multiple trophies in different countries. It's something we have to get used to, it's just him and why he's so successful. Doesn't mean you shouldn't say when you think he got it wrong. Very true, no one should be beyond criticism. Except me....obviously. Quite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The swings from him being a genius to his tactics and general philosophies on the game being seriously questioned and back again from match to match are both hilarious and quite sad. Not just in this thread, I mean across the forum. Signings, players, formations, the rotation policy; everything. By all accounts we were just as s*** today as we were excellent on Tuesday. It's absolutely symptomatic of a team and entire f***ing organisation that's still finding its feet with a revolutionised squad under a brand new manager and coaching staff, and an apparent complete change in approach to running a football club. This after literally years and years of deliberate lack of investment, almost 100% lack of ambition and suitably chronic underachievement. It's no coincidence IMO that we've not drawn any games so far. Even when we went down last time things were more stable than they were before Benitez came in for f***'s sake. Obviously nobody is beyond criticism when it's due but though I'm still very confident of promotion, turning this wretched ship around is going to take longer than nine matches. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160917/67079574a85a87b5de972d29bb243a2e.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The swings from him being a genius to his tactics and general philosophies on the game being seriously questioned and back again from match to match are both hilarious and quite sad. Not just in this thread, I mean across the forum. Signings, players, formations, the rotation policy; everything. By all accounts we were just as shit today as we were excellent on Tuesday. It's absolutely symptomatic of a team and entire fucking organisation that's still finding its feet with a revolutionised squad under a brand new manager and coaching staff, and an apparent complete change in approach to running a football club. This after literally years and years of deliberate lack of investment, almost 100% lack of ambition and suitably chronic underachievement. It's no coincidence IMO that we've not drawn any games so far. Even when we went down last time things were more stable than they were before Benitez came in for fuck's sake. Obviously nobody is beyond criticism when it's due but though I'm still very confident of promotion, turning this wretched ship around is going to take longer than nine matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Sooner he realises Perez is utter dogshit, the better. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/no/754.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 His philosophies and tactics aren't "being seriously questioned", don't go overboard. If someone thinks he's got something wrong it's fair enough to discuss it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The swings from him being a genius to his tactics and general philosophies on the game being seriously questioned and back again from match to match are both hilarious and quite sad. Not just in this thread, I mean across the forum. Signings, players, formations, the rotation policy; everything. By all accounts we were just as s*** today as we were excellent on Tuesday. It's absolutely symptomatic of a team and entire f***ing organisation that's still finding its feet with a revolutionised squad under a brand new manager and coaching staff, and an apparent complete change in approach to running a football club. This after literally years and years of deliberate lack of investment, almost 100% lack of ambition and suitably chronic underachievement. It's no coincidence IMO that we've not drawn any games so far. Even when we went down last time things were more stable than they were before Benitez came in for f***'s sake. Obviously nobody is beyond criticism when it's due but though I'm still very confident of promotion, turning this wretched ship around is going to take longer than nine matches. Nailed it. Absolutely spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDonis Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I'm sure you've probably had your fair share of LFC fans coming on here posting Rafa stuff, so apologies. I'm a huge fan of his (and have a familial connection with NUFC) so I was glad to see him wind up there. He will do really well for you. But after you spanked QPR the other night - for which, thanks, I live in West London surrounded by Rs fans - I *knew* you wouldn't get a result today. I don't what it is about Rafa, but his teams often follow a thrashing with a poor result. I sometimes wonder whether his need to play down a good result, and warn against complacency, can undo some of the momentum that comes from such a result, rather than allow the players to bask in it for a bit and ride a hot hand. His teams also have the habit of throwing in a real stinking performance when you least expect it, with no real explanation. I can remember us being beaten 2-0 by Boro four days after beating Real at the Bernabeu in 2009. It was Rafa in excelsis. A performance of the highest quality, a tactical masterclass, followed by a a rancid performance out of nowhere. Then we went on a massive run and nearly won the league, but that result was costly as hell in the final shake up. Similar things happened at Napoli too. Losing 3-0 to Atalanta after a seven or eight game unbeaten run that effectively ended. I remember his Chelsea smashing Villa 8-0 but then losing 1-0 at QPR, who were bottom. It was often a criticism levelled at him that his Liverpool and Napoli teams drew too many games, and there's something in that. But for me at LFC it was often the inexplicable losses that cost us, particularly in the middle of a run of otherwise good results. I have a theory or two as to why but it's always been a bit weird, as he gets so much else right. Is it even down to him, given all players have a tendency to be complacent after a series of good results or a thrashing? But there does seem to be a pattern. I still think you'll be fine as the wins will outweigh these types of losses and he'll be great in the bigger matches against rivals. Be worried v Burton at home though. I also think you'll murder Wolves in the cup on Tuesday. Smashing them a few days after losing them to would also be peak Rafa. Sorry for butting in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Some interesting comments in his nufctv interview. Pretty much said we tried to do the difficult things rather than the simple and put ourselves under pressure. I know nobody's going to come out and say we were complacent but that comment is somewhat damning, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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