Hanshithispantz Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 TCD just cannot make a point without talking down at someone or everyone, I've started trimming his posts in my head and they're a lot more pleasant to read, for example: He'll push us on. At a minimum i'm expecting cup finals and European runs. Much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kanj Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Only Keegan and Sir Bob got it, in terms of what made this club tick, and I'm not sure I think anybody would for some time until Rafa became our man - and then, after reading the foundation quotes...my word. Just brilliant. He not only gets it but you just know he wants to win everything with us for him and for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I would swap Rafa for Klopp or Pep only in the PL. Outside of those two I firmly believe we have the best all-round manager. Btw I feel Pep needs star players and mega money to succeed where as Rafa doesn't. Klopp it's his football style that swings it, easily the best in the PL even ahead of Arsenal! Klopp's sides are cracking to watch, but porous at the back compared to Rafa's. Rafa is a better bet for European competition, but I think Klopp will do better in the EPL. I actually think Rafa will win you more trophies and be more of a long-term success in that regard, but Klopp could do something amazing like win the PL with Liverpool against the odds if you like. Maybe a one off, but special all the same. Plus his football is far more entertaining. Again he is very much like KK with his philosophy, the way he engages fans and the way he talks and sees the game. I really do like Klopp. I fact if I could cherry pick any one manager for my club right now it would be him. With Rafa, if we go up, I think we will probably have the 2nd best all-round manager/coach/tactician in the league behind Guardiola who despite going where success is almost assured, he is for me the Messi of management. The absolute best basically. His ideas, his philosophies are something else. Wenger I love, he's great, but he is massively limited and is at the perfect club for him. Would he do what he has done at Arsenal with say NUFC or Liverpool? I don't think he would. Mourinho is so scared of losing and so paranoid about his image and persona, he has become a shadow of himself. He's a bit like one of his players at the moment, Rooney. Was great, but isn't and is past his best. Can he recover? I think Mourinho needs to take a year out and then go and manage a club that doesn't have the best players or top players with the most money. He's a great coach, a great manager, arguably the best in general outside of Pep, but he's broken at the moment. The latter days of Real and then Chelsea have broken him for me. Its actually quite sad looking in from the outside if you like. He will always win trophies, but cups and such. He's better than that. But he needs to rethink his entire outlook. For me, in the PL if we go up in terms of all-round ability etc... Pep Rafa Klopp Pochettino Wenger Mourinho Pochettino's achievements are impressive but I think he needs to win a few shiny cups before he can place himself at Rafa's level. Rafa has several important shiny cups which have come against all odds at the highest level. One thing which is missing from Rafa's resume which prevents him from reaching the true elite level of coaches is league wins or challenges in recent years. But in Europe his achievements are stunningly good. I think in 12 seasons where he competed in European competitions and was allowed to complete the season he reached the semi finals something like 8 times. He also reached the finals 4 times. All stunning achievements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 “But the main thing is as a team, as a club, as a city we have to be sure that we keep doing things in the right way. “We cannot have over-confidence. Everybody is asking me about complacency, blah, blah, blah. “Yes, I am passing the message on to my players; but it’s the same for the fans, the city, the staff and for everyone. “We have to be sure that if something is wrong, we keep pushing. And if something is right, we will push and enjoy. “But there will be no over-confidence and no complacency, especially from the top of the club and the people in the city or the fans in the stand. “It’s everyone here, not just the players. We can win together and we can succeed together. Love this man. The way he talks about 'the city' as part of the club and vice versa says to me he really gets it. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-names-biggest-danger-12129575 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 "Interestingly, Benitez insists it is not just the Newcastle squad who need to be wary of over-confidence though, but also the club’s staff, the supporters and the city as a whole." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 “But the main thing is as a team, as a club, as a city we have to be sure that we keep doing things in the right way. “We cannot have over-confidence. Everybody is asking me about complacency, blah, blah, blah. “Yes, I am passing the message on to my players; but it’s the same for the fans, the city, the staff and for everyone. “We have to be sure that if something is wrong, we keep pushing. And if something is right, we will push and enjoy. “But there will be no over-confidence and no complacency, especially from the top of the club and the people in the city or the fans in the stand. “It’s everyone here, not just the players. We can win together and we can succeed together. Love this man. The way he talks about 'the city' as part of the club and vice versa says to me he really gets it. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-names-biggest-danger-12129575 had to check if the 'blah, blah, blah' was part of the article. Love rafa, me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 "Interestingly, Benitez insists it is not just the Newcastle squad who need to be wary of over-confidence though, but also the club’s staff, the supporters and the city as a whole." Reading the recent comments in this thread, he's got a point like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 8 points clear of third and it's the 5th of November. All thanks to this man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 imagine where we'd be having appointed a man with championship experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I'm sure Pardew or McClaren would have been smug and self congratulory over such a win. But Rafa will be business as usual and would have privately wanted to win by two goals and will work hard to improve. Which is why we can trust him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 8 points clear of third and it's the 5th of November. All thanks to this man. Probably headed for the semis of the cup as well. That is going to be special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 "Interestingly, Benitez insists it is not just the Newcastle squad who need to be wary of over-confidence though, but also the club’s staff, the supporters and the city as a whole." Reading the recent comments in this thread, he's got a point like. Not if he'd have read some of the shite being spouted when we were getting beat off Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Good chat with a (Spanish) Barca supporting friend who told me how unfairly he was treat at Real Madrid by both the club and the press and that it still continues with Rafa having been ridiculed on a couple of occasions recently. He said that Zidane gets away with stuff that Rafa wouldn't because he is seen as an establishment figure who toes the line, which is something Rafa would never be. Pretty much summed up that Madrid was the wrong place for him because he couldn't be his own man and he is now at the right kind of club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 I just love he always talks about constant improvement, and that we can play better. He never rests, he gets pissed off if we go slack and concede. The circumstances just feels right. Fans love him, he has complete control, players respect him, and he's very close to family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 8 points clear of third and it's the 5th of November. All thanks to this man. Probably headed for the semis of the cup as well. That is going to be special. Can't see any of this overconfidence Rafa's on about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 8 points clear of third and it's the 5th of November. All thanks to this man. Probably headed for the semis of the cup as well. That is going to be special. Can't see any of this overconfidence Rafa's on about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 8 points clear of third and it's the 5th of November. All thanks to this man. Probably headed for the semis of the cup as well. That is going to be special. Be interesting to see how we get on against Hull. Not sure I want the Sunderland to win but if they do and West Brom get a result, they might not fancy a cup game too much. We need to win against Leeds and Blackburn and this is a bonus game for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ogden Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Good chat with a (Spanish) Barca supporting friend who told me how unfairly he was treat at Real Madrid by both the club and the press and that it still continues with Rafa having been ridiculed on a couple of occasions recently. He said that Zidane gets away with stuff that Rafa wouldn't because he is seen as an establishment figure who toes the line, which is something Rafa would never be. Pretty much summed up that Madrid was the wrong place for him because he couldn't be his own man and he is now at the right kind of club. Rafa has been a success and his clubs have played good football everywhere he has been. The problem with Madrid is that there are more prima donas than you have fingers and they all have Perez in the palm of their hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 My life long Liverpool supporting mate, actually from Liverpool to add gravitas, told me at the weekend that he really thinks that Rafa has taken to Newcastle in a similar way to how he took to Liverpool. He sees many similarities between the way that Rafa is behaving now to how he did when he started on the long successful road with Liverpool. I told him that my short experience of Rafa has definitely made me understand why they all still seem to hold him in such high regard. Nice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Zidane has had worse patches than Benítez had, but the problem is that Rafa doesn't have time for politics and Real Madrid is a very politic club. Once he had bad results - and he had bad results -, nobody (media, dressing room leaders, club staff) had his back. Zidane has had enough clout and a more appeasing personality to see off his bad streaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Problem for Benitez at Real was, understandably, that he came into the job with little credibility after seeing his stock fall in the jobs he had just lost at Inter and Napoli. Point to external factors and unfair treatment, sure, but the fact was that he was in a downward spiral since leaving Liverpool, disqualified by supporters, unable to create the defensive stability that he had relied upon before, but now suddenly in control of a club that is arguably one of the two best in the world. It was always going to be vulnerable. As much as I'm taking to him and love what he has done at NUFC so far, I'm still vary of what he will serve up over a longer period of time in the Premiership. On a positive note, he's got everything in place to apply his methods and thinking here. We're a club at the perfect frequency for him. He's been allowed to sign players with a hunger to learn from him, they're receptive of his message, he's shaping pretty much everything to suit his approach, and we'll reap rewards from that. There is every reason to believe he'll have much greater success here than at the clubs he left prior to coming here because of the timing and where we are meeting him in his career, but also because of the working conditions. All in all, he's the best thing that has happened to us for fucking ages, I'll be happy for us to fight under his leadership for a long time, regardless of the speed of our progress, but that doesn't forbid questioning of his tactical orientation. To me, there is no denying that his idea of football is not exactly at the forefront of the tactical development at the moment. For all his sharp, sophisticated and calculated ideas, for all the defensive solidity we're showing, there is not much emphasis on the high pressing or formational flexibility that is characteristic for most ground-winning managers at the moment. I think his orientation may be able to do wonders for us anyway, like I said above, and all teams don't have to play in the same way - but I'm waiting to see how well it serves him when he comes up against the increasingly competitive managerial opposition in the Premier League. To me, the more cautious approach, deeper defenses, seem to be sitting ducks when coming up against high-intensity, high-pressing sides, a little too often. Hopefully his analytical mind will see this and develop us into a dynamic team, capable of coping with different sorts of opposition. There is evidence in the past that he has that tendency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 We aren't even defensive though. We're better in possesion than we have been for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 ...and our closing down is the best it's been for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 We'll be a different side in the Premiership like, we're far from a defensive side in this league though. We're disciplined but the bluster at the start of the season about us playing 2 defensive midfielders etc was bollocks really. Same with Dummett & Colback not being suited to this league/being exposed more than they will in the Premiership etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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