Tooj Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Nah it's not at all, it only appears that way because we haven't developed many decent players through the academy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 People on here love running down young players without giving them a chance Or perhaps they just realise when a player maybe won't make it at the top level rather than just having blind hope because he "a local lad"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 People on here love running down young players without giving them a chance Or perhaps they just realise when a player maybe won't make it at the top level rather than just having blind hope because he "a local lad"? Aye, "blind hope" in a lad who's 19, has scored loads of goals already at an adult level and consistently scores lots of goals for England underage teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 People on here love running down young players without giving them a chance Or perhaps they just realise when a player maybe won't make it at the top level rather than just having blind hope because he "a local lad"? Aye, "blind hope" in a lad who's 19, has scored loads of goals already at an adult level and consistently scores lots of goals for England underage teams Adam Armstrong will never be a regular player in the Premier League. Save this post for 5/7/9 years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Carroll didn't look like he had Premier League ability until 20. Obviously slightly different in that he's physically a freak, but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 People on here love running down young players without giving them a chance Or perhaps they just realise when a player maybe won't make it at the top level rather than just having blind hope because he "a local lad"? Aye, "blind hope" in a lad who's 19, has scored loads of goals already at an adult level and consistently scores lots of goals for England underage teams Adam Armstrong will never be a regular player in the Premier League. Save this post for 5/7/9 years time. You're probably right because we never seem to give young players a chance unless there's an injury crisis anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Would he have got a game for us this season anyway? He'd have been in Murphy's position as 3rd choice and he's barely had a look in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Would he have got a game for us this season anyway? He'd have been in Murphy's position as 3rd choice and he's barely had a look in If you look at things like that no young player would ever get a chance. Southampton regularly give kids a chance over more experienced players and they reap the rewards of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? I do agree it is harder to give young players a chance when they're strikers, especially when they are pretty small as well but what's the point in even having a youth set up if you're never going to give the talented ones a chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Is this serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 People give [insert local player's name] too easy a ride just because he's local. People give [insert local player's name] too hard a time just because he's local. Delete as applicable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 For what it's worth I meant Southampton recently with their new set up. I haven't forgotten Le Tissier and Shearer I shouldn't have used the word 'ever' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Is this serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 For what it's worth I meant Southampton recently with their new set up. I haven't forgotten Le Tissier. I shouldn't have used the word 'ever' Not just Le Tissier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Is Armstrong still even scoring goals at the moment? He seems to set off like a house on fire when he goes out on loan, then the goals seem to dry up for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I was too slow with the edit. My point is that although Southampton have regularly used youngsters in their recent set up I'm pretty sure they've always used an experienced striker in Lambert, Pelle, Austin, Long and even Osvaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I've only seen him a few times so this could be well off the mark but the times I have seen him his link up play seemed fairly decent and he has quick feet so would he be much worse than Perez/Diame are doing in that role just behind the striker now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I've only seen him a few times so this could be well off the mark but the times I have seen him his link up play seemed fairly decent and he has quick feet so would he be much worse than Perez/Diame are doing in that role just behind the striker now? Only watched highlights of Barnsley but I get the same feeling. Looks good on the ball and seems to play deeper than I expected. Would have to ask Barnsley fans like as this is like a total of about 5 minutes of footage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Kid Icarus and HandsDownHisPants, and others seem very adamant that Rafa will never play two-strikers/4-4-2. Whilst, I tend to believe what people do rather than what they say, this interview by Ian Holloway in August is worth a re-watch. Basically, he says he expects the players to know one system really well, but will play others, if indicated/to fit in key players (that's my reading anyway). Relevant bit about formations is about half-way through. Err, I've never said this like He literally said a week or so ago that he was wanting to try Mitrovic out with Gayle. My issue, if I've got one, would be people saying he's too reserved and that we'd be blowing teams out the water if we switched to 4-4-2. This despite us being top of the league and the league's highest scorers playing the system that Rafa's played since Valencia (?) It's always worked for him and if he thinks it's what we're best playing with at the moment I'm not going to argue. The worry I have with this 4-2-3-1 is that it's quite rigid, we rarely see the supposed no10 get beyond the forward. Also the way people are going on it's like they are stuck in that formation and that pattern stays rigid and slides up and down the pitch as one. Many teams play with a nominal 2 up front but it's really more of a target man and support striker role and one of them dropping in when the opposition have the ball which could be called a 4-4-1-1 or even a 4-2-3-1 if the central two never ever ever get in advance of the forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Er - they once played a 17 year old against Arsenal and he scored a hat-trick....his name was Shearer I believe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Er - they once played a 17 year old against Arsenal and he scored a hat-trick....his name was Shearer I believe... You know what he's getting at, he means recently (I'd guess since Bale) and I'd guess a bigger reason could be the quality of the kids we are talking about, the coaching they've received etc to get them to that stage, theirs were good enough. It's hardly like we've had floods of kids leave our academy and make it at premiership level even with other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Er - they once played a 17 year old against Arsenal and he scored a hat-trick....his name was Shearer I believe... You know what he's getting at, he means recently (I'd guess since Bale) and I'd guess a bigger reason could be the quality of the kids we are talking about, the coaching they've received etc to get them to that stage, theirs were good enough. It's hardly like we've had floods of kids leave our academy and make it at premiership level even with other clubs. The results of NUFC's Academy over the past 15 years has been dire...esp in a football-mad area like the NE, but in fairness its a major problem generally because kids are not playing the game as much, they are not receiving the sort of encouragement and coaching at schools and many schools have sold off playing fields. There are too many off-field distractions in prosperous countries now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Er - they once played a 17 year old against Arsenal and he scored a hat-trick....his name was Shearer I believe... You know what he's getting at, he means recently (I'd guess since Bale) and I'd guess a bigger reason could be the quality of the kids we are talking about, the coaching they've received etc to get them to that stage, theirs were good enough. It's hardly like we've had floods of kids leave our academy and make it at premiership level even with other clubs. Not many kids make it without getting lots of games when they're 19/20/21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I don't think Southampton have ever given a young kid a go as a striker though have they? It's an incredibly important position to just give someone a chance, especially when we've got Gayle scoring regularly and Mitrovic not doing terribly Er - they once played a 17 year old against Arsenal and he scored a hat-trick....his name was Shearer I believe... You know what he's getting at, he means recently (I'd guess since Bale) and I'd guess a bigger reason could be the quality of the kids we are talking about, the coaching they've received etc to get them to that stage, theirs were good enough. It's hardly like we've had floods of kids leave our academy and make it at premiership level even with other clubs. Not many kids make it without getting lots of games when they're 19/20/21 They also have to be good enough to get the games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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