Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Blaming a striker for making a poor challenge when there were 10 other players behind him who made similarly s*** (or even no) efforts ffs Mitro had been on the pitch for 94 minutes and had worked his arse off. Diame strolls onto the pitch with 10 minutes to go and he failed to put any sort of challenge in near the box, yet we're sat here talking about Mitro's poor attempt to challenge for the ball on the halfway line. Murphy was terrible yesterday, again. As bad as Mitro has been in some matches - yet he's received little/no stick for it. Before anyone even says "aye but he scored", aye he did, but Atsu put the ball on a plate for him and it was near on impossible to miss. The remaining time in the game he was diabolically s*** and gave away constant free kicks. If Mitro contributed to winning matches to compensate for his criminal lack of a goalscorer's instinct, he'd not get anywhere near as much stick. The fact is he doesn't, and Murphy's goals have won us matches. Strikers should be judged on goals scored, first and foremost. Murphy is just better at scoring than Mitrovic as the stats will show. How many assists has Mitro gotten whilst not scoring? You've argued against you own point here. The stats are remarkably similar considering one player gets thrown under the bus and the other doesn't. In the league: Mitro - 4 goals, 4 assists Murphy - 5 goals, 1 assist If you include the cup games, they both have 6 goals but Mitro has 3 more assists still. Mitro also has a higher pass % (65.1% to 53.1%) Mitro has played 300 more minutes like but his minutes have been in much smaller segments (ie, coming on late in a lot of games) and therefore reducing the ability to make an impact. Also for the myth that Murphy has "won us more matches/points etc." No, he really hasn't. Even ignoring the assists and just basing it on the goals, it's very close run. Mitro: 4 goals, 4 assist: worth 13 points Leeds (h) - assist - 1 point Wolves (a) - goal - 3 points Preston (a) - 2 goals - 3 points QPR (a) - assist and goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Cardiff (h) - assist - 3 points Derby (h) - assist - 3 points Murphy: 5 goals, 1 assist: worth 6 points, 12 even if you claim the Huddersfield/Rotherham as matchwinners. Ipswich (a) - goal - earned us nothing Fulham (h) - goal - earned us nothing Huddersfield (a) - goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Brighton (a) - gets an assist for Diame's freak goal - 3 points Rotherham (h) - goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Brentford (a) - goal - 3 points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DJ_NUFC Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Stats or not, Murphy does seem to be the more natural goalscorer. We're now completely forgetting Mitro's full season in the Premiership? Or is that still being filed under "New League," "Foreign Land," "Young Lad," etc.? Edit: I just realized how tiresome this whole Mitro argument is, and why it needs to be kept within the confines of the Mitro thread. Can we please talk about Rafa and management on here? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I've never seen 'straw man' used so often as on this forum. It's a like an N-O obsession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Stats or not, Murphy does seem to be the more natural goalscorer. We're now completely forgetting Mitro's full season in the Premiership? Or is that still being filed under "New League," "Foreign Land," "Young Lad," etc.? Edit: I just realized how tiresome this whole Mitro argument is, and why it needs to be kept within the confines of the Mitro thread. Can we please talk about Rafa and management on here? Cheers. Mitro got mentioned because of the point someone made about Rafa blaming him for the goal (based on the fact he benched him). It's natural to discuss that point in here, but not the "Is Murphy any better" question, granted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Straw man has terrible movement. Really static. Just fucking stands there in the middle of the pitch waiting for something to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Mitro shouldn't have given the ball away by aimlessly crossing it into the box. He successfully won a corner just before that playing it off the man. Not sure what he was trying to do blasting it into the box with no one there. Still not entirely his fault obviously as there were ten men behind him who should have stopped the goal. The blame lies with the entire team and their lack of focus. Instead of playing to the whistle, most were too busy speaking to the ref about the 5 extra minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Parsley Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Mitro shouldn't have given the ball away by aimlessly crossing it into the box. He successfully won a corner just before that playing it off the man. Not sure what he was trying to do blasting it into the box with no one there. Still not entirely his fault obviously as there were ten men behind him who should have stopped the goal. The blame lies with the entire team and their lack of focus. Instead of playing to the whistle, most were too busy speaking to the ref about the 5 extra minutes. Just watched the sequence back - agree that Mitro should've just kept it in the corner but he did find Diame with the cross who, between him and Shelvey, then contrived to give the ball away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Ipswich did alright by crossing it into the box when they were winning yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's not the points total and it's clearly not failure. It's the turgid football (Leeds game aside) since Christmas that have brought this on imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 With a day to calm down and think about it I think Rafa has lost faith in some of the squad and it looks like he is just scrapping around trying to find replacements for Gayle and Clarke and then players like Darlow, Shelvey, Dummet and Lasscelles start letting him down, I think there was absolutly something said on Sunday and he might have even told some players they wont be here next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 With a day to calm down and think about it I think Rafa has lost faith in some of the squad and it looks like he is just scrapping around trying to find replacements for Gayle and Clarke and then players like Darlow, Shelvey, Dummet and Lasscelles start letting him down, I think there was absolutly something said on Sunday and he might have even told some players they wont be here next season. with nothing to base it on i'm tempted to agree with this like, we should have pushed on since that massive 7 points from 9 yet their arses have gone and literally everyone bar ritchie of those fit in the period has gone into hiding game in game out i hope he's brutal and ruthless the moment promotion is secured, would rather see bairns playing the last 1-2 games than most of these cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 With a day to calm down and think about it I think Rafa has lost faith in some of the squad and it looks like he is just scrapping around trying to find replacements for Gayle and Clarke and then players like Darlow, Shelvey, Dummet and Lasscelles start letting him down, I think there was absolutly something said on Sunday and he might have even told some players they wont be here next season. with nothing to base it on i'm tempted to agree with this like, we should have pushed on since that massive 7 points from 9 yet their arses have gone and literally everyone bar ritchie of those fit in the period has gone into hiding game in game out i hope he's brutal and ruthless the moment promotion is secured, would rather see bairns playing the last 1-2 games than most of these cunts If this is true and it happens, about fucking time we had a manager at the helm who held a lot of these shirkers to account and ran the club like a real, professional outfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's not the points total and it's clearly not failure. It's the turgid football (Leeds game aside) since Christmas that have brought this on imo. Criminal that we didn't freshen up the squad with at least one signing in January tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's not the points total and it's clearly not failure. It's the turgid football (Leeds game aside) since Christmas that have brought this on imo. Criminal that we didn't freshen up the squad with at least one signing in January tbh. Not even a loan signing is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Blaming a striker for making a poor challenge when there were 10 other players behind him who made similarly s*** (or even no) efforts ffs Mitro had been on the pitch for 94 minutes and had worked his arse off. Diame strolls onto the pitch with 10 minutes to go and he failed to put any sort of challenge in near the box, yet we're sat here talking about Mitro's poor attempt to challenge for the ball on the halfway line. Murphy was terrible yesterday, again. As bad as Mitro has been in some matches - yet he's received little/no stick for it. Before anyone even says "aye but he scored", aye he did, but Atsu put the ball on a plate for him and it was near on impossible to miss. The remaining time in the game he was diabolically s*** and gave away constant free kicks. If Mitro contributed to winning matches to compensate for his criminal lack of a goalscorer's instinct, he'd not get anywhere near as much stick. The fact is he doesn't, and Murphy's goals have won us matches. Strikers should be judged on goals scored, first and foremost. Murphy is just better at scoring than Mitrovic as the stats will show. How many assists has Mitro gotten whilst not scoring? You've argued against you own point here. The stats are remarkably similar considering one player gets thrown under the bus and the other doesn't. In the league: Mitro - 4 goals, 4 assists Murphy - 5 goals, 1 assist If you include the cup games, they both have 6 goals but Mitro has 3 more assists still. Mitro also has a higher pass % (65.1% to 53.1%) Mitro has played 300 more minutes like but his minutes have been in much smaller segments (ie, coming on late in a lot of games) and therefore reducing the ability to make an impact. Also for the myth that Murphy has "won us more matches/points etc." No, he really hasn't. Even ignoring the assists and just basing it on the goals, it's very close run. Mitro: 4 goals, 4 assist: worth 13 points Leeds (h) - assist - 1 point Wolves (a) - goal - 3 points Preston (a) - 2 goals - 3 points QPR (a) - assist and goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Cardiff (h) - assist - 3 points Derby (h) - assist - 3 points Murphy: 5 goals, 1 assist: worth 6 points, 12 even if you claim the Huddersfield/Rotherham as matchwinners. Ipswich (a) - goal - earned us nothing Fulham (h) - goal - earned us nothing Huddersfield (a) - goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Brighton (a) - gets an assist for Diame's freak goal - 3 points Rotherham (h) - goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Brentford (a) - goal - 3 points You need to find a girlfriend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SEMTEX Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Blaming a striker for making a poor challenge when there were 10 other players behind him who made similarly s*** (or even no) efforts ffs Mitro had been on the pitch for 94 minutes and had worked his arse off. Diame strolls onto the pitch with 10 minutes to go and he failed to put any sort of challenge in near the box, yet we're sat here talking about Mitro's poor attempt to challenge for the ball on the halfway line. Murphy was terrible yesterday, again. As bad as Mitro has been in some matches - yet he's received little/no stick for it. Before anyone even says "aye but he scored", aye he did, but Atsu put the ball on a plate for him and it was near on impossible to miss. The remaining time in the game he was diabolically s*** and gave away constant free kicks. If Mitro contributed to winning matches to compensate for his criminal lack of a goalscorer's instinct, he'd not get anywhere near as much stick. The fact is he doesn't, and Murphy's goals have won us matches. Strikers should be judged on goals scored, first and foremost. Murphy is just better at scoring than Mitrovic as the stats will show. How many assists has Mitro gotten whilst not scoring? You've argued against you own point here. The stats are remarkably similar considering one player gets thrown under the bus and the other doesn't. In the league: Mitro - 4 goals, 4 assists Murphy - 5 goals, 1 assist If you include the cup games, they both have 6 goals but Mitro has 3 more assists still. Mitro also has a higher pass % (65.1% to 53.1%) Mitro has played 300 more minutes like but his minutes have been in much smaller segments (ie, coming on late in a lot of games) and therefore reducing the ability to make an impact. Also for the myth that Murphy has "won us more matches/points etc." No, he really hasn't. Even ignoring the assists and just basing it on the goals, it's very close run. Mitro: 4 goals, 4 assist: worth 13 points Leeds (h) - assist - 1 point Wolves (a) - goal - 3 points Preston (a) - 2 goals - 3 points QPR (a) - assist and goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Cardiff (h) - assist - 3 points Derby (h) - assist - 3 points Murphy: 5 goals, 1 assist: worth 6 points, 12 even if you claim the Huddersfield/Rotherham as matchwinners. Ipswich (a) - goal - earned us nothing Fulham (h) - goal - earned us nothing Huddersfield (a) - goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Brighton (a) - gets an assist for Diame's freak goal - 3 points Rotherham (h) - goal - contributed to the points but didn't win them solely Brentford (a) - goal - 3 points You need to find a girlfriend. This is some classic 2002 Internetting boys and girls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's not the points total and it's clearly not failure. It's the turgid football (Leeds game aside) since Christmas that have brought this on imo. Criminal that we didn't freshen up the squad with at least one signing in January tbh. That's true enough but it still doesn't really explain the poor play, the Ipswich game was utterly awful. Even if you ignore too many changes, hitting long over and over was tactically terrible. But you're correct we should have signed one or two to freshen it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The hitting it long stuff, and not wanting to play at all, really can't be what he's sending them out to do (all the time). Rafa said as much in his post match comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 We have a habit of getting sucked into playing shit football by the clogger teams we come up against in this league. I think thats why our best performances come against the better teams, we both want to play football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The hitting it long stuff, and not wanting to play at all, really can't be what he's sending them out to do (all the time). Rafa said as much in his post match comments. If he really didn't tell them to hit it long vs Ipswich, we've got a team full of complete fucking idiots/bottlers, because they did it for 90 fucking minutes. My guess is it's somewhere in-between though, because the Murphy/Diame combo tells me they're going for hoofbahl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The hitting it long stuff, and not wanting to play at all, really can't be what he's sending them out to do (all the time). Rafa said as much in his post match comments. I'm with you on that but there was definitely a tactic of being direct, which i don't really understand when you want to control the midifield as Rafa always alludes to. Something is just not right, whether that be the players not lstening (if so they're off their rockers to not listen to Rafa), or we've just hit a rut we can't get out of, and the players are taking the easy ball by getting rid instead of playing. Whatever it is, we just look awful at times, but go up and give him funds, better players in certain positions and we'll look so much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 We've been hitting it long, for better or worse, since the first game of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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