Village Idiot Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Carrasco is a class winger too. Given their lack of width they should use him more. Heck, I wish Spain had stolen him given that he's half Spanish and we lack direct and skillful wingers. But yeah, it's undeniable Belgium has a lots of class (yes, there are unbalances, but pretty much all NTs have unbalanced squads) and they should be doing much better than they are. And that should fall on the lap of the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Typical Italian performance last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Carrasco is a class winger too. Given their lack of width they should use him more. Heck, I wish Spain had stolen him given that he's half Spanish and we lack direct and skillful wingers. But yeah, it's undeniable Belgium has a lots of class (yes, there are unbalances, but pretty much all NTs have unbalanced squads) and they should be doing much better than they are. And that should fall on the lap of the manager. Aye. This. Still reckon they get to the semi's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Love the way Buffon kept rolling the ball out to def who had 2/3 forwards charging at them immediately. So casual so much class. Italy look very dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Carrasco is a class winger too. Given their lack of width they should use him more. Should be a starter, no question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Disagree, manager is s*** but to say the players aren't the problem is far too simplified and is taking attention away from the fact they don't have that great of a team. All their players are overrated as s*** . They don't have a single good playmaking CM or decent DM, no good fullbacks, Lukaku has like a 1 in 5 record at international level and most of their CBs are poor defenders but get hyped because they can score. ( the Spurs ones deficiencies get hidden because Pochettino is so good at protecting them) There's just zero balance or changes of pace in this team and as alluded to they lack goal threat, yet somehow they are treated as some amazing team. Not to mention Hazard has hardly had a big match great performance in his career really( only one i can think of is against City when Demichelis played in midfield ), De Bruyne is probably their best player and even he isn't of the level required. The rest are nowhere near as good as advertised and especially not good enough to make them a legitimate international threat. Come on man. Nainggolan is sought after by the biggest clubs in the world, Alderweireld is maybe the best centre back in the EPL, Dembele had an amazing season and Lukaku just wrapped up a 25 goal season with a pretty meh Everton side. And that's leaving out the likes of Courtois, de Bruyne, Hazard, Batshuayi etc. It's a great group of players no matter how you look at it - however they've clearly not moulded into a team and that's the problem. Can't believe what I've read from Mole there As you've rightly said, Nainggolan is quality and it's for that reason he's being looked at by the clubs he is. I'm not sure why you think they need a 'proper playmaking CM' when they have Hazard & De Bruyne in their team and Witsel is a quality CM both attacking and defensively. Also, De Bruyne not of the level required? He'd walk into nearly NT going man, what on earth are you talking about? Hazard hasn't had a great season but over the last few weeks he finally got going and there's no denying he's one of the best players in the world. Top and bottom of the issue is that Belgium have a team full of individual quality with some of the best players about, but as a collective team they simply appear to just not function well, which is primarily down to the manager and his system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Candreva Italy looked great at times last night. They might just play a bit too open to go too far in the tournament but will be a problem for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 If Belgium start Mertens and/or Carrasco they'll improve a mile, as they did when they came on last night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Dembele is far more effective than the 3 CM's they started last night. There was a lack of intensity and effort too, such bad mangement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 If Belgium start Mertens and/or Carrasco they'll improve a mile, as they did when they came on last night The manager is over his head. And he has no system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The Sun gave Fellaini Man of the Match for yesterday's game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The Sun gave Fellaini Man of the Match for yesterday's game Seriously??? Wow. Whole new level of cluelessness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Italy have probably the best defence in the tournament, that alone should see them go far. Add on top of that all their experience and them all being comfortable with the system and gameplan and they are definitely in contention. Just depends if the teams with better attacking options can gel a bit more over the next few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 If Belgium start Mertens and/or Carrasco they'll improve a mile, as they did when they came on last night The manager is over his head. And he has no system. He's actually got less experience than John Carver. He's done nothing to earn that job, and even less to keep it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Thibaut Courtois involved in 'serious altercation' with Marc Wilmots ahead of Ireland clash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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triggs Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Have a feeling Sweden will get something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 If Sweden couldn't manage a shot on goal against Ireland, I can't see them getting anything out of this game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Belgium are rubbish. Called it pre-tournament and got a load of s*** for it You got a load of s*** because you said their squad wasn't great which isn't true. Belgium were good once they made the subs Said Lukaku has 3 in 6 months, shown nowt to reiterate the hype. Was s**** today. Said Hazard was s**** this season. Was s**** today. Alderwiereld & Vertonghen are top defenders. De Bruyne is class. After that, it's a load of good to just above 'good' players, nowt special Hazard was good in the second half IMO. De Bruyne was about a million times worse. Mertens and Carrasco are very good players, Dembele is very good and should be starting. Courtois is class. The manager is the problem not the players Disagree, manager is s*** but to say the players aren't the problem is far too simplified and is taking attention away from the fact they don't have that great of a team. All their players are overrated as s*** . They don't have a single good playmaking CM or decent DM, no good fullbacks, Lukaku has like a 1 in 5 record at international level and most of their CBs are poor defenders but get hyped because they can score. ( the Spurs ones deficiencies get hidden because Pochettino is so good at protecting them) There's just zero balance or changes of pace in this team and as alluded to they lack goal threat, yet somehow they are treated as some amazing team. Not to mention Hazard has hardly had a big match great performance in his career really( only one i can think of is against City when Demichelis played in midfield ), De Bruyne is probably their best player and even he isn't of the level required. The rest are nowhere near as good as advertised and especially not good enough to make them a legitimate international threat. Come on man. Nainggolan is sought after by the biggest clubs in the world, Alderweireld is maybe the best centre back in the EPL, Dembele had an amazing season and Lukaku just wrapped up a 25 goal season with a pretty meh Everton side. And that's leaving out the likes of Courtois, de Bruyne, Hazard, Batshuayi etc. It's a great group of players no matter how you look at it - however they've clearly not moulded into a team and that's the problem. All of those things are irrelevant. Dembele had an amazing season in the PL for Spurs standards, he's not good enough to be the best or one of CM of a team looking to win a international tournament. Nainggolan sought after the biggest clubs in the world? says who he's not THAT level. Alderweireld being the best CB in the PL is also pretty irrelevant considering it's a different standard and Spurs do a great job of protecting their back 4 and Lukaku's PL record considering how bad he's been in his international career is also pretty irrelevant. When i look at a football team i look for a few things. Does it have a reliable back 4? does it have a DM who can protect said defence?, does it have pace in wide areas to open up space for the central players and give delivery to the strikers? Does it have a reliable goal threat? does it have a passer from deep who can open up chances for others? This Belgium team doesn't really have any of that, it's a poorly balanced team full of weaknesses and most people just list the names of their individuals ( who to be frank are mostly if not all overhyped anyway) without considering how it fits together as a team and you are delusional if you think changing managers will magically turn them into the team that people expect of them. Can't believe what I've read from Mole there As you've rightly said, Nainggolan is quality and it's for that reason he's being looked at by the clubs he is. I'm not sure why you think they need a 'proper playmaking CM' when they have Hazard & De Bruyne in their team and Witsel is a quality CM both attacking and defensively. Also, De Bruyne not of the level required? He'd walk into nearly NT going man, what on earth are you talking about? Hazard hasn't had a great season but over the last few weeks he finally got going and there's no denying he's one of the best players in the world. Top and bottom of the issue is that Belgium have a team full of individual quality with some of the best players about, but as a collective team they simply appear to just not function well, which is primarily down to the manager and his system. They still need a CM to get them the ball in good areas, otherwise they'll constantly be coming deep to get the ball like Ben Arfa used to be forced to do for us. What i mean De Bruyne not being of the level required is he's not good enough to be the best player on the a team looking to win an international tournament and he is their best player but De Bruyne as your best player isn't cutting it. You can all disagree with me if you want, that's your prerogative but i think you'll constantly be disappointed by them if you believe they are good enough to contend for this tournament if they got rid of Wilmots. Don't get me wrong he's fucking useless, but there's a lot more issues with this team than just him being an inept fool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 dat anthem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Nice to see Swedes and the Italians mixing in in the stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Chiellini's a beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollof rice and pea Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Twattish leading with the elbow there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxsln Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Twattish leading with the elbow there Chiellini searched for Zlatans elbow with his neck!! Zlatan never do anything wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Chiellini's a beast. My favourite defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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