Optimistic Nut Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Dybala dropped? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Ends 0-0. Useless bastards couldn't finish. Argentina have to go to Ecuador at altitude and win. It could have been much much worse but Paraguay scored 2 in the last ten minutes to beat Colombia They wish. Was two in the last 5 minutes. Both absolutely avoidable too. Be insane if Colombia and Argentina don't qualify although Peru deserve it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Is 6th a playoff spot in South America? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Is 6th a playoff spot in South America? no. Top 4 qualify automatically. Fifth go into a playoff against New Zealand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Dybala dropped? No, not allowed to play with Messi so staying on the bench. The reason is he doesn't fit Messi. The Messi bubble has to burst. He is not Maradona who can carry the team on his own. The Messi & friends belief is the main reason why the qualification is a complete failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Dybala dropped? No, not allowed to play with Messi so staying on the bench. The reason is he doesn't fit Messi. The Messi bubble has to burst. He is not Maradona who can carry the team on his own. The Messi & friends belief is the main reason why the qualification is a complete failure. It's a bit of a myth that Maradona carried a team on his own like, he still played with some fantastic players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yea kinda true as well, but the problem is people think Messi should also go that route and the team has to be Messi & Friends. When does Argentina become a super power that they don't need to field the best eleven players to win games easily? Dybala, whom Juv not willing to sell even for 100M is on the bench and Benedetto is the starting striker? WTF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yea kinda true as well, but the problem is people think Messi should also go that route and the team has to be Messi & Friends. When does Argentina become a super power that they don't need to field the best eleven players to win games easily? Dybala, whom Juv not willing to sell even for 100M is on the bench and Benedetto is the starting striker? WTF? Yeah but they occupy the same space and Messi is clearly better. We should know with the whole Gerrard and Lampard thing that you need to pick a team and not just a bunch of individuals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The World Cup without Messi would be an absolute tragedy, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The World Cup without Messi would be an absolute tragedy, like. Aye. But at the same time, I feel like they don't really deserve to be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Dybala dropped? No, not allowed to play with Messi so staying on the bench. The reason is he doesn't fit Messi. The Messi bubble has to burst. He is not Maradona who can carry the team on his own. The Messi & friends belief is the main reason why the qualification is a complete failure. You don't know what you're talking about. The main reason Argentina may not qualify is that Messi missed games through injury. The stats back this up. He created 5 clear chances for teammates last night. What more are you expecting him to do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yea kinda true as well, but the problem is people think Messi should also go that route and the team has to be Messi & Friends. When does Argentina become a super power that they don't need to field the best eleven players to win games easily? Dybala, whom Juv not willing to sell even for 100M is on the bench and Benedetto is the starting striker? WTF? Yeah but they occupy the same space and Messi is clearly better. We should know with the whole Gerrard and Lampard thing that you need to pick a team and not just a bunch of individuals. Dybala can play ahead of messi like, he doesn't have to play as a ten. Even without that what is the justification for Benedetto over Icardi? That Icardi played the previous two games and was utterly shit, same with Dybala. Honestly last night was the best Argentina played in ages, they just couldn't finish the chances Messi was making Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yea kinda true as well, but the problem is people think Messi should also go that route and the team has to be Messi & Friends. When does Argentina become a super power that they don't need to field the best eleven players to win games easily? Dybala, whom Juv not willing to sell even for 100M is on the bench and Benedetto is the starting striker? WTF? Yeah but they occupy the same space and Messi is clearly better. We should know with the whole Gerrard and Lampard thing that you need to pick a team and not just a bunch of individuals. Dybala can play ahead of messi like, he doesn't have to play as a ten. Even without that what is the justification for Benedetto over Icardi? That Icardi played the previous two games and was utterly shit, same with Dybala. Honestly last night was the best Argentina played in ages, they just couldn't finish the chances Messi was making He's a million miles ahead of benedetto, whats the point of playing a 27 boca striker over a guy who has a ridiculously good goal record in the top flight. I'm not blaming this on messi, but they have to figure out ways to accommodate other players too. Why is Di Maria playing? 0 goals in three games. They don't have the time at the moment to wait and hope that Icardi starts playing well. Benedetto missed a couple of chances but he offered them way more than Icardi was the last two games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Dybala dropped? No, not allowed to play with Messi so staying on the bench. The reason is he doesn't fit Messi. The Messi bubble has to burst. He is not Maradona who can carry the team on his own. The Messi & friends belief is the main reason why the qualification is a complete failure. You don't know what you're talking about. The main reason Argentina may not qualify is that Messi missed games through injury. The stats back this up. He created 5 clear chances for teammates last night. What more are you expecting him to do? Messi played in all last three draws. If you are saying he doesn't deserve to be criticised, you are telling me he isn't as great as people saying right? If you are saying he is on par with Pele and Maradona then tell me would they be free from critics for these three draws? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The World Cup without Messi would be an absolute tragedy, like. Aye but isn't the playoff against New Zealand? Even if they don't get through automatically, they'll be there. It's no different to when Portugal had to go through a playoff with Ronaldo. There was never any real danger of them not qualifying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Dybala dropped? No, not allowed to play with Messi so staying on the bench. The reason is he doesn't fit Messi. The Messi bubble has to burst. He is not Maradona who can carry the team on his own. The Messi & friends belief is the main reason why the qualification is a complete failure. You don't know what you're talking about. The main reason Argentina may not qualify is that Messi missed games through injury. The stats back this up. He created 5 clear chances for teammates last night. What more are you expecting him to do? Messi played in all last three draws. If you are saying he doesn't deserve to be criticised, you are telling me he isn't as great as people saying right? If you are saying he is on par with Pele and Maradona then tell me would they be free from critics for these three draws? He doesn't deserve to be criticised for last night, no. Did you see the last three games? He creates chances that others don't score. Football is totally different to when Pele and Maradona were playing. Defences are much better organised than they were then. Honestly that Maradona goal in 1986. Unbelievable goal but can you imagine a top or even average international team these days allowing anyone to score a goal like that? I can't. Don't even get me started on Pele. Completely different sport in those days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Aye, but you may remember the one where it was either going to be Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The World Cup without Messi would be an absolute tragedy, like. Aye but isn't the playoff against New Zealand? Even if they don't get through automatically, they'll be there. It's no different to when Portugal had to go through a playoff with Ronaldo. There was never any real danger of them not qualifying. Fail to win at Ecuador (which won't be easy!) and they're out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Aye, but you may remember the one where it was either going to be Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic. Aye but Sweden are trash ( no offence to the Swedes here) Ibra or no Ibra. Portugal where always going through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The World Cup without Messi would be an absolute tragedy, like. Aye but isn't the playoff against New Zealand? Even if they don't get through automatically, they'll be there. It's no different to when Portugal had to go through a playoff with Ronaldo. There was never any real danger of them not qualifying. What the fuck are you on about? They have to go to Ecuador at altitude and win. They've won there once in the last ten occasions and that was in 2001. If Paraguay hadn't scored two goals in the last five minutes it was totally out of their hands. Never any danger ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't follow international football at all because it's crap, i assumed Peru would go through automatically and Argentina would have to face a playoff no matter what. Calm the fuck down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't follow international football at all because it's crap, i assumed Peru would go through automatically and Argentina would have to face a playoff no matter what. Calm the fuck down. If you don't follow it then you don't have to comment on it like you know better than people who've actually done some research Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hey now come on now guys we're all friends here this is getting out of hand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 FWIW Messi is 4th in the total chances created of any player in CONMEBOL qualifying despite playing 5 or 6 less games than most and Argentina have the worst chance conversion rate. They also score few if any goals from midfielders running forward and play way too pedestrian. Read into that what you will. On the flip side they have to play defensively in midfield because there defence is absolutely shite and they have a serious dearth of box to box players or natural widemen meaning everything gets clumped up in the middle. Read something like they've tried 9 different combinations upfront these qualifiers too with no success. It's crackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Of coz Messi created most chances when the whole team is setting up for him. If you genuinely think this is good for the team, then explain why they get three draws. Germany won the cup without a super star. We are in top half of the league without a proven EPL star. If a team is setting up just for shining the jewel crown it won't achieve great things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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