Footsoldier Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Why are wingers singled out in particular? You can say any player in any position needs to be playing consistently. My point is that with world class coaching they aren’t getting much better if at all even on the basics. Atsu and Perez......FFS look up and play the simple quick pass at times rather than running up you’re arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Why are wingers singled out in particular? You can say any player in any position needs to be playing consistently. My point is that with world class coaching they aren’t getting much better if at all even on the basics. Atsu and Perez......FFS look up and play the simple quick pass at times rather than running up you’re arse. They play in a position where in the modern game they are meant to defend and attack, but because of their position they rarely get to see enough of the ball to do anything with it or that the modern game demands they spend more time getting back. Especially here. Atsu is an average winger, but he’s a good player for us at the moment or can be, same with Murphy, but either stick with the, or look for something else because expecting them to do what we would all like to see them do just isn’t going to happen when they are in out of the side, same with strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Atsu either has a blinder or is f***ing terrible on a single given day Again, especially with wingers or wide men, they need to be in the starting 11 week in week out to show any kind of consistency and even then due to their position such players unless the very elite will frustrate and be inconsistent to a degree. Same applies to Murphy. If he starts at the weekend and has a mare...? Who would or what would be at fault? Honestly, after that Stoke away match, and something I've been repeating over and over - Atsu behind Ayoze, Murphy and Ritchie (now Kenedy) out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Atsu either has a blinder or is f***ing terrible on a single given day Again, especially with wingers or wide men, they need to be in the starting 11 week in week out to show any kind of consistency and even then due to their position such players unless the very elite will frustrate and be inconsistent to a degree. Same applies to Murphy. If he starts at the weekend and has a mare...? Who would or what would be at fault? Honestly, after that Stoke away match, and something I've been repeating over and over - Atsu behind Ayoze, Murphy and Ritchie (now Kenedy) out wide. Kind of agree, with added Slimani. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Sigh. Guess I should give up on him playing any big part for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 It is really weird tbh. When Murphy looked hopeless at the start of the season Rafa kept giving him chances which worked and then he was doing quite well and suddenly doesn't play anymore. Must be something in training/personal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 One thing that's got me confused is the freezing out of this kid. He looked like he was finally becoming a Premier League player, after publicly stating he's enjoying getting starts and game time, and just when he scores and puts in great performances, he's dropped, we sign Kenedy, and now he's nowhere to be seen. Either something's going on in training, or maybe Rafa thinks he's just not ready. I actually prefer him to Atsu (opposite wings, I know, but still). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Think you've solved it before the end of your post. Kenedy, Ritchie and Atsu are probably all better and we've been in good form so haven't changed the team. No room for Murphy who, whilst he's improved, isn't ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 we'll see more of him next season imo, rafa knows how to handle players and he's shown he's got PL quality in bursts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Wouldn't be surprised to see him in if we're mathematically safe early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I agree. I think this lad is part of Rafas plans for the future and expect to see him given some more time once Rafa is happy we are 100% safe and secure, and definitely next season as an important first squad player. with the obvious provisos that a) we keep rafa and b) can get sold by MA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I'd be looking to continue his progression as soon as we're safe. I think there's a very handy Premier League winger in there that, in the near future, can go on to do far more than the likes of Atsu and Ritchie at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 He is still getting used to this league and has improved a lot after quite a bad start, but now with some experince under his belt and age on his side, He can slowly work on his game with no rush, and hopefully become a good asset for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Kind of disappointed he hasn’t seen more game time as I think he has talent and would be our best bet down the right, but Ritchie who I wanted dropped for Murphy has been superb lately so cannot be dropped really. I’d send him out on loan next season if we can to develop his game further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 He'll be fine. Rafa doesn't need to use him, so he isn't being used. Maybe he'll get more minutes when we're safe, but I think for the most part he's just going to have to bide his time and look to push on next season. I certainly don't think Rafa is planning to shift him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I'd not look to loan him out unless it's definitely the right club. Pecchia was Rafa's right hand man and Aarons still can't get a game over there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 We have a decent selection of wingers all of a sudden. Gone are the days of Shola on the right or Gouffran on the left. Rafa's revolutionary idea of playing wingers in wide areas seems to be paying off - players that can actually take someone on, cross or dribble. Would like to see more of Murphy before the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 What we now have wide is pace, energy and ball carrying skills, but we do need a proper CF to finish off any chances created from the flanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 He'll be fine. Rafa doesn't need to use him, so he isn't being used. Maybe he'll get more minutes when we're safe, but I think for the most part he's just going to have to bide his time and look to push on next season. I certainly don't think Rafa is planning to shift him. I think this is the crux of it. I expect to see him a lot more next season. Wouldn't be surprised if Rafa wanted to ease him in while he beds in up north too. Murphy's not made a secret of how it was quite tough to begin with being away from family irrc, has he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Next season will be make or break for him at the club. I think Rafa always intended for his first choice paring to be Ritchie and Atsu, with the youngsters Murphy and Aarons backing them up. Kenedy has come in and replaced Atsu, Atsu has the role of a dynamic option off the bench so at the moment there is no role for Murphy. Think we will bring in another winger next year, not certain it will be Kenedy, also think Atsu and Aarons will be shopped. Next season he has to push Ritchie for that starting spot otherwise he too could be out of the door soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Next season will be make or break for him at the club. I think Rafa always intended for his first choice paring to be Ritchie and Atsu, with the youngsters Murphy and Aarons backing them up. Kenedy has come in and replaced Atsu, Atsu has the role of a dynamic option off the bench so at the moment there is no role for Murphy. Think we will bring in another winger next year, not certain it will be Kenedy, also think Atsu and Aarons will be shopped. Next season he has to push Ritchie for that starting spot otherwise he too could be out of the door soon. He's only just signed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Atsu couldn't get ahead of Gouffran in Rafa's Championship team but had been a regular starter (until Kenedy was loaned) in the Premiership. Maybe something similar will happen to Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 wingers wouldn't be enough. We've got lucky with injuries this year but that won't keep up forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Is it luck ? Rafa seems to have a good record through out his career of keeping players fit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Is it luck ? Rafa seems to have a good record through out his career of keeping players fit Not on the training ground no, but there's always a bit of luck during matches. To get as little as we have during games might not stick. Or someone might break something in a challenge. If we only have 3 we'd then have no bench option, or option if someone's out of form. (Although we mostly seem to persist despite form anyway.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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