Stifler Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 3 hours ago, nufc123 said: What a dick. All these french owners are so weird. I think they like to try and push bad guy image over to other clubs. They likely want to sell, they know they likely don’t have the financial resources not too, but they know their fans will kick off if they do sell. Pushing the blame onto other clubs and/or individual players keeps it off them. I’m not sure if they do it with other foreign teams, but pushing the ant-English narrative may go down well with some supporters. If the roles were reversed and Ligue One was the rich league, I know and anti-French stance by our club owners would work wonders over here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 French league has a massive chip on its shoulder as we keep taking their best players, it’s fairly understandable why they’re salty. Lyon probably valued him way higher than what he’s gone for as well but because they’re either strapped for cash or Paqueta was desperate for the move they ended up selling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, gbandit said: French league has a massive chip on its shoulder Most big European leagues have this with regards to the Premier League (perhaps understandably so). The Italian League is probably the worst for it. I mean, I get it; lower midtable PL teams now have the finances to seemingly outspend 99% of European clubs (and that’s including some very historically significant ones). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Aulas’s comments were typically twatful, but ultimately he’s right, isn’t he? Paqueta has been available for some time, and no-one was breaking down the door for him. Arsenal looked nailed on for Bruno before he came here. We had to fight Milan for Botman. I never understood NUFC supporters’ obsession with the bloke - there’s clearly a rabbit off with him. As mentioned above, West Ham’s natural ceiling has been reached - they’re unlikely to get any higher. This isn’t to say he won’t prove a good signing for them - but the fact that no top club has even been linked says a lot to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Didn't Paqueta have a poor second half of the season? If you combine that with the scrutiny over his time at Milan, you can see why there might be some reluctance by bigger teams to take the risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Wonder why we didnt fancy Pacqueta at all? Too expensive? FFP? Howe didnt want him? Not sure there was ever any genuine interest from us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said: Wonder why we didnt fancy Pacqueta at all? Too expensive? FFP? Howe didnt want him? Not sure there was ever any genuine interest from us. My guess is we feel he’s a number 10 and have no Intentions of playing a system which involves a 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Man Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, McCormick said: Most big European leagues have this with regards to the Premier League (perhaps understandably so). The Italian League is probably the worst for it. I mean, I get it; lower midtable PL teams now have the finances to seemingly outspend 99% of European clubs (and that’s including some very historically significant ones). This is 100% it and it's only getting worse, starting to feel a bit like the "English Super League" this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Willian going to Fulham apparently? What is that about he was absolutely awful for Arsenal looked finished Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Some absolutely hilarious takes on here. Go read Vickery’s say on him; Paqueta is a starter for Brazil, has tremendous versatility and is genuinely considered a future world class player. If you can’t see any of that or spend 20 minutes reading actual analysis of the kind of player he is via the usual online scouting sites (elite in pressures, pressing, fantastic dribbler, etc) or do some YouTube scouting and see why he’s such a good player I don’t really know what to tell you. the random narrative on here that he’s some bad egg or something is wrong with him is a funny way to look weirdly petty. Perhaps, we couldn’t afford him? Perhaps we tried and failed late? Perhaps Howe prioritized other positions? Edited August 30, 2022 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kanji said: Some absolutely hilarious takes on here. Go read Vickery’s say on him; Paqueta is a starter for Brazil, has tremendous versatility and is genuinely considered a future world class player. If you can’t see any of that or spend 20 minutes reading actual analysis of the kind of player he is via the usual online scouting sites (elite in pressures, pressing, fantastic dribbler, etc) or do some YouTube scouting and see why he’s such a good player I don’t really know what to tell you. the random narrative on here that he’s some bad egg or something is wrong with him is a funny way to look weirdly petty. Perhaps, we couldn’t afford him? Perhaps we tried and failed late? Perhaps Howe prioritized other positions? People love to engage in wishful thinking and rationalisation rather than face up to the possibility that we've potentially missed out on an amazing player. Same story with those insisting we've never had any interest despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Edited August 30, 2022 by Barnes23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 13 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: Big clubs hard on for Adama is so weird. They must think that with the right coach everything will click but he's never been that good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Barnes23 said: People love to engage in wishful thinking and rationalisation rather than face up to the possibility that we've potentially missed out on an amazing player. Same story with those insisting we've never had any interest despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. “were we really interested in him?” despite most of the usual journalists saying we’ve looked into him, interested in him, etc since Jan and most recently the last 2 weeks. People don’t read. They never do. They just make wild blanket comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kanji said: Some absolutely hilarious takes on here. Go read Vickery’s say on him; Paqueta is a starter for Brazil, has tremendous versatility and is genuinely considered a future world class player. If you can’t see any of that or spend 20 minutes reading actual analysis of the kind of player he is via the usual online scouting sites (elite in pressures, pressing, fantastic dribbler, etc) or do some YouTube scouting and see why he’s such a good player I don’t really know what to tell you. the random narrative on here that he’s some bad egg or something is wrong with him is a funny way to look weirdly petty. Perhaps, we couldn’t afford him? Perhaps we tried and failed late? Perhaps Howe prioritized other positions? That’s all well and good, but the question isn’t just “why didn’t Newcastle buy him” but “why didn’t any of the top six clubs in England, the top clubs in Spain or the top clubs in Italy buy him?” I think he looks great, but that’s a genuine question to be answered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I never believed we'd sign him TBH, but admittedly that's not based on a hell of a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 People always see a price tag and assume if you have that why not when there are all kind of other considerations, some nonsense like agent fuckery, some less like player genuinely responding to the buying clubs overtures and being won over, others like family demands of where they want to live (yeah I know it's frustrating London has sway like that but it very much does) etc etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Paqueta has been shopped around all the Europe clubs for the whole summer. It’s not like West Han caught everyone else off-guard like what we did to Bruno. All clubs except West Han chose not to go ahead. We even tried bidding for Barnes Maddison etc, but not for Paqueta. West Ham may prove everyone wrong but that doesn’t mean we are wrong to suspect there are concerns from all the clubs. Edited August 30, 2022 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 never change people of N-O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 You are all creating concerns in your own head. By now there’d already have been a swirl of rumors of him being an asshole. Where are those? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Kanji said: You are all creating concerns in your own head. By now there’d already have been a swirl of rumors of him being an asshole. Where are those? that’s only one of the possibilities. We aren’t ITK nor people within the industry. 1. his performance at Milan 2. his performance during the second half of last season 3. his position 4. his play style 5. his wage demand 6. his personal affairs All could be the reasons. It’s just discussion bro. What we know is only West Han willing to take him at such a “discount price” very late in this window. Edited August 30, 2022 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 As someone that has seen Paqueta quite frequently I think the big problem for him has been he doesn't really fit into most top sides needs. As someone who is something of a versatile player, but that does it probably at best as something between a #10 and CM I'm not sure what team he'd come in an improve massively so much that they would be willing to spend lots of money on him (apart from us unfortunately). Arsenal, is probably the side that would've benefitted most from him, playing him in the new Xhaka role next to Odegaard. But we already know that they had other priorities such as the front 9 as they lost Auba and Laca in the space of 6 months. I'm not sure about this Fabio Vieira guy, but if they hadn't signed him, maybe they would've gone for Paqueta. Chelsea - have prioritised other positions as well as he'd probably have to compete with someone like Mount. Tottenham is the same problem. Where does he fit tactically with Conte? Man United and Man City - Bit expensive to have someone being backup to Bruno and KDB the way they set up their team right now. Liverpool, a team he could've potentially worked with given their style of play off the ball, however, with the ball Liverpool are very very direct and Paqueta has this problem that he sometimes slows down play. Rumours are they were interested in him but didn't pursue it. Maybe because they went with Darwin Nunez early in the window or maybe Klopp didn't see how he fits the team with possession. For the other big european sides, Bayern Munich don't tend to spend that much money on players, but could've seen him there. Real Madrid and Barcelona both made huge signings earlier in the window in Tchouameni (who looks brilliant at that age) and Raphinha (who for me is a better player than Paqueta atm). PSG are the only other side that could've afforded him and I think their interest died when Leonardo was sacked as well as when Messi was signed. He is hell of a signing for West Ham if used correctly and if he adapts well, I think him next to Declan Rice and one of their more technical and mobile players could really improve them. Enough to become a top 6 side? No, the gap is too big imo at the moment. However, with this signing they are definitely my favourites to finish 7th again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudwiser Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Transferts-le-psg-veut-le-milieu-carlos-soler-valence/1350956 15m is a ridiculously low fee for a player of his quality. Getting the dude from Napoli as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, spudwiser said: https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Transferts-le-psg-veut-le-milieu-carlos-soler-valence/1350956 15m is a ridiculously low fee for a player of his quality. Getting the dude from Napoli as well. hes class, would be a perfect upgrade to our midfield and he and Bruno would be bloody class together. Add the fact he’s a good leader, can play wide too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, spudwiser said: https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Transferts-le-psg-veut-le-milieu-carlos-soler-valence/1350956 15m is a ridiculously low fee for a player of his quality. Getting the dude from Napoli as well. They're signing loads of players at a reasonable fee. €100m or something like that for Vitinha, Sanches, Ruiz and possibly Soler is just disgustingly good business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Just now, leffe186 said: Why didn’t a top club buy him? Think Flips post above covers it pretty well. Also just because you're not the right type of player or good enough to fit into a really top team it doesn't mean you're not good enough to be brilliant for a West Ham or a Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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