St1pe Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 What a cracking deal that is for Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, St1pe said: What a cracking deal that is for Villa. Is it though? Probably paying him £200-250k a week. Unless Rashford suddenly decides he can be arsed again and puts some effort in. It seems like a bit of a waste and a big gamble. If he starts tearing it up again. You’d be worried about then paying £40m and a salary that would destroy the current wage structure. As he has so much previous form of seemingly downing tools and having a good season, followed by a terrible one. If he magically starts playing well. You’d have to question his character. Couldn’t be professional and try at his boyhood club on 350 bags of sand a week. But rocks up at Villa and decides he’s a footballer again. It’s a real shame what happened to him. Always rated him and thought he was going to be a top player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Is it though? Probably paying him £200-250k a week. Unless Rashford suddenly decides he can be arsed again and puts some effort in. It seems like a bit of a waste and a big gamble. If he starts tearing it up again. You’d be worried about then paying £40m and a salary that would destroy the current wage structure. As he has so much previous form of seemingly downing tools and having a good season, followed by a terrible one. If he magically starts playing well. You’d have to question his character. Couldn’t be professional and try at his boyhood club on 350 bags of sand a week. But rocks up at Villa and decides he’s a footballer again. It’s a real shame what happened to him. Always rated him and thought he was going to be a top player. I’ve always had a soft spot for Rashford. If they get him back to playing in a position he’s familiar with and he’s approaching it as a point to prove under Emery I reckon it’ll take off for him. If he gets back to what he can do £40m is cheap - wages maybe not so. If it doesn’t work he goes back to Man U. It’s a good risk/reward for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Villas apparent lack of wage structure is odd mind. Emery must be happy having a player who doesn't track back much which is odd in modern football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 40m wouldn't pay 4m for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Villas apparent lack of wage structure is odd mind. Emery must be happy having a player who doesn't track back much which is odd in modern football. Yeah, you and a lot of others on here know a lot more about FFP/PSR than me, but based on the figures out the other day, they seem fucked. Not sure how they can afford this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Yeah, you and a lot of others on here know a lot more about FFP/PSR than me, but based on the figures out the other day, they seem fucked. Not sure how they can afford this. I think it's important to recognise when it comes to those figures to point out they are estimates and not official numbers accounts for that period haven't been published. Villa are also playing the FFP game in the opposite way to us, they are aggressively trading players and doing academy graduate swap deals for daft money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, r0cafella said: I think it's important to recognise when it comes to those figures to point out they are estimates and not official numbers accounts for that period haven't been published. Villa are also playing the FFP game in the opposite way to us, they are aggressively trading players and doing academy graduate swap deals for daft money. Aye, I’m not a massive fan of any of their deals tbh, however Ramsey, Watkins, Rodger’s, Rashford and Asensio, Malen and Bailey gives them depth we can only dream about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Aye, I’m not a massive fan of any of their deals tbh, however Ramsey, Watkins, Rodger’s, Rashford and Asensio, Malen and Bailey gives them depth we can only dream about. Yeah I'm not exactly excited about a lot of those names, that being said it's much more than what we have at present. I think they will have a headache next season though don't think they have the finances to support so many players. Maybe they will end up cashing in on Rodgers, but as I quipped about Brighton yesterday you can't keep selling your best players and hope to continue to compete at the highest level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 27 minutes ago, The Butcher said: 40m wouldn't pay 4m for him. This is just nonsense though let's be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 9 hours ago, KaKa said: Villa are bringing in some decent talent. If Emery can get them going, it's a significant step up in quality. Thought Malen looked dangerous when he came on today. Between Malen, Rashford, Asensio and Felix that could pay off massively if they click. It’s an insane amount of wages, on players who are a mixture of hot/cold and aging. It’s the type of deals people thought we would do, and I’m glad we haven’t done. Good for 2 months, then left with him for many more months afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, St1pe said: What a cracking deal that is for Villa. Is it though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Aye, I’m not a massive fan of any of their deals tbh, however Ramsey, Watkins, Rodger’s, Rashford and Asensio, Malen and Bailey gives them depth we can only dream about. Their style of play also utilises speed and ball carrying effectively in their transitions. They are going to have a lot of that available, with bodies to come on when others are floundering. Emery also appears to have the temperament to deal with 'characters' let's call them. Thought he handled Duran well. Even at Arsenal he also managed Aubameyang well, who Arteta was quick to jettison. Danjuma at Villarreal, who has done nothing outside of his really good stint with Emery. Tielemans looked heavy and slow when he first joined and was hardly used but has turned it around. From a competitive standpoint that is the concern. I think Emery is quite comfortable working with these types, and it's exactly why they are going for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, St1pe said: What a cracking deal that is for Villa. It’s a terrible deal. He’s shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, St1pe said: What a cracking deal that is for Villa. Not a cracking deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, brummie said: Well, strictly speaking, if you look only at things that have happened, it has been pretty shit, we're weaker than we were at the start of it. I'm in a conundrum with Villa - can't stand the club but at the same time I want them to mess with the status quo. Same as Forest (bit of a Derby fan, so that's particularly tough). With Villa the optics are good looking from the outside, that's for sure. Edited February 2 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Sibierski said: It’s an insane amount of wages, on players who are a mixture of hot/cold and aging. It’s the type of deals people thought we would do, and I’m glad we haven’t done. Good for 2 months, then left with him for many more months afterwards. We'll soon see how it all plays out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: Their style of play also utilises speed and ball carrying effectively in their transitions. They are going to have a lot of that available, with bodies to come on when others are floundering. Emery also appears to have the temperament to deal with 'characters' let's call them. Thought he handled Duran well. Even at Arsenal he also managed Aubameyang well, who Arteta was quick to jettison. Danjuma at Villarreal, who has done nothing outside of his really good stint with Emery. Tielemans looked heavy and slow when he first joined and was hardly used but has turned it around. From a competitive standpoint that is the concern. I think Emery is quite comfortable working with these types, and it's exactly why they are going for them. Apparently Emery was the one pushing for Rashford, if a manager of his pedigree reckons he can get something out of Rashford I'd tend to believe it. I think Howe would've got him firing too to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Let's be honest, it could go either way and if he can somehow score the goals which get them in the CL it's well worth it for them. I don't they will exercise the option so they only need the budget for this year to afford it and with Saudi giving them a massive gift that's no issue either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Will probably be better for him playing for a manager that doesn't slate him in the media every week as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hope Rashford does well, but can't help feel he's had that mentality tip you see in players and can't recover from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Dokko said: Hope Rashford does well, Why? He's a dick, and I can't fucking stand Villa so hope it ends in tears Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Menace said: Apparently Emery was the one pushing for Rashford, if a manager of his pedigree reckons he can get something out of Rashford I'd tend to believe it. I think Howe would've got him firing too to be honest. Yeah, every manager is different. Some are better than others at dealing with these sorts of players. Like @SUPERTOON said, he's going to have that many options, he'll be able to alternate them based on who's performing well at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: We'll soon see how it all plays out. Same as Barkley, who was lauded in same way for an amazing deal. Odd glimpse and impact, largely irrelevant, with high wages for seasons to come. Only fall back this time for Villa in short term, Asensio is a short loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 As has been said, it could go 1 of 2 ways, Emery either gets a tune out of all 3 and Villa become even stronger, or it's just fucked them from a PSR point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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