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1 hour ago, gdm said:

I reiterate if Mike Ashley had put those bids in while he was here we all know the responses that would get on here. Everton have told them their valuation and they’ve had 3 bids absolutely none of them even come close. 


There is a difference between the starting point of Man Utd and Mike Ashley though, one is the biggest spenders in Europe over the last decade and the other had the no ambition whatsoever.

 

How much was our first bid for Livramento reported to be? Less than half what we paid wasn’t it?

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13 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:


There is a difference between the starting point of Man Utd and Mike Ashley though, one is the biggest spenders in Europe over the last decade and the other had the no ambition whatsoever.

 

How much was our first bid for Livramento reported to be? Less than half what we paid wasn’t it?

Yes and we negotiated and got a deal. Reports are this is Man Utd’s 3rd & final deal and they are still almost £30m short.

 

personally I do think Branthwaite is a really good player & one of Everton’s best players last season. IMO their 3rd offer is derisory never mind their 1st but it’s a matter of opinions. Everton’s opinion probably the one that matters most is that the offer is derisory you can disagree that’s ok

 

 

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1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:


There is a difference between the starting point of Man Utd and Mike Ashley though, one is the biggest spenders in Europe over the last decade and the other had the no ambition whatsoever.

 

How much was our first bid for Livramento reported to be? Less than half what we paid wasn’t it?

Man U chased DeLigt all summer one year and didn’t get the deal done. 
 

We didn’t get Tino at a discount. We ended up just wasting time.  We did similar with Barnes, I guess we thought we would get discount priced because of relegation but that didn’t materialise. 

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Interestingly PSV passed up the chance to sign him for 10m euros a year earlier and some fan comments I read this afternoon were that about half of that was probably right. Haven’t watched enough Everton, but could be a massive flash in the pan season for him. Perhaps Everton should sell now his stock is seemingly so high.

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15 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Interestingly PSV passed up the chance to sign him for 10m euros a year earlier and some fan comments I read this afternoon were that about half of that was probably right. Haven’t watched enough Everton, but could be a massive flash in the pan season for him. Perhaps Everton should sell now his stock is seemingly so high.

He'd only just turned 20 when he joined PSV, and as a defender you tend to mature a few years later. Not sure about PSV's finances, but you can understand why most European clubs would find most PL asking prices for their own players to be absurd. Because they ARE absurd.

 

He's still only 22 now, has shown he can more than cut it in the PL, and then also attracts both the PL and English player tax.

 

If he carries on developing at that rate, he could be a starting central defender for the right club for a decade. But, as you say, it could just be a flash in the pan season.

 

That's not what the couple of people who watch him quite regularly at Everton say to me, with the caveat, as always, that's just two people, opinions are subjective and that you only have to look at this or any other forum to see fans of their own club overrating their own players.

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31 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Man U chased DeLigt all summer one year and didn’t get the deal done. 
 

We didn’t get Tino at a discount. We ended up just wasting time.  We did similar with Barnes, I guess we thought we would get discount priced because of relegation but that didn’t materialise. 

 

De Jong? 

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Braithwaite is just a hyped defender, because he’s on the young side and playing regularly in prem. Like, people are hoping they get an increase in ability in years to come, when in reality, he’s no better than many others (also helps loads playing in a side that defends deep with little of the ball). 

 

I rate Harwood-Bellis better, but because he’s played in championship for 2 seasons, he doesn’t come with same hype at the moment. 

 

Be plenty more CBs that come through over next 24 months, so not like Braithwaite is a must buy unique talent.

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6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

£27m for Greenwood and a 40% sell on clause. 

 

Think that's as good as we could have gotten for him, as he'll certainly go for a large sum in the future. 

The filthiest money imaginable.

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23 minutes ago, Froggy said:

£27m for Greenwood and a 40% sell on clause. 

 

Think that's as good as we could have gotten for him, as he'll certainly go for a large sum in the future. 

 

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Mayor of Marseille trying to put a spanner in the works 

 

“I will ask the president of Olympique de Marseille not to recruit Greenwood. I don't want my club to be covered in the shame of someone who hits his wife. I don't want my club to be covered in the ashes of someone who hits his wife like that. It's not acceptable."

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3 minutes ago, gdm said:

Mayor of Marseille trying to put a spanner in the works 

 

“I will ask the president of Olympique de Marseille not to recruit Greenwood. I don't want my club to be covered in the shame of someone who hits his wife. I don't want my club to be covered in the ashes of someone who hits his wife like that. It's not acceptable."


Pretty sure most teams fans will

feel the same.

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2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Man U chased DeLigt all summer one year and didn’t get the deal done. 
 

We didn’t get Tino at a discount. We ended up just wasting time.  We did similar with Barnes, I guess we thought we would get discount priced because of relegation but that didn’t materialise. 


I didn’t say we got him at a discount, more that we went in with a low bid that was reportedly half of what we ended up paying.

 

I don’t recall anyone saying we were behaving like Mike Ashley at the time, more we were being opportunistic, which is what Man Utd are doing with the low bid to turn the players head.

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