Rafa Benítez (now unemployed)

[Matt]

4 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

Newcastle united should have been boycotted under Ashley & subsequently forced him into a position of where he needed to sell the club. Same as Liverpool did with Hicks & Gillett. 

 

H&G breached the terms of their debt financing, allowing lenders to parachute in Martin Broughton to oversee the running of the club and to launch a sale process. We were always at the sole whim of Mike Ashley. Yes there was a concerted effort to get them out of Anfield, but you can't compare the two situations.

[Yorkie]

36 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said:

 

 

incredible trolling, if not the most subtle. 

[Armchair Pundit]

I think the club, owners, fans, probably the manager and coaches are essentially united - far more than we have been for many years... the players on the other hand...

 

Would I take Rafa back? Yes, in a heart beat. However, I think Howe deserves a crack of the whip with a rejuvenated side of his own signings. I think any manager will struggle to get a tune out of some of the shite in the current squad and the problem players would continue to poison the rest of the squad. We need shot of the likes of Shelvey, Gayle, half the defence and get in replacements who are more than the Championship players we brought up from our last promotion. The only reason Rafa managed to get anything out of the current defence was because he had them solidly drilled into playing exactly how he wanted so they didn't have to think for themselves, Bruce relied on that initially but as it became a distant memory under his 'coaching' the defence fell apart. Now we're left with a dogshit defence who don't know what they're doing, a midfield who are weak and uninspiring and strikers who have so little confidence or end product they're completely ineffective.

 

I honestly don't think there's enough time to get the team's mentality in order, even with any new players we bring in. The squad is so ridiculously lacking in quality, leadership and drive that I'm 99% sure we're going down again this season - Mike Ashley's final insult and curse on us after his departure. My biggest concern is not going to be getting promoted back from the Championship, every time it's happened previously there's been worriers who's fretted over a supposed increase in whatever level they think the Championship is at. The thing we should be most worried about is whether the Prem (and so-called big six) will find some other way to hamstring us while we're out of the picture, whether they'll make enough changes to the rules of the league to stop us competing on return. That of course then leads to the train of thought, would our new owners feel that such a fight was worth the bother, would they just up sticks and invest in a different league instead.

[Fantail Breeze]

I’m hoping Rafa’s shadow will at least kick Howe up the arse and force him to improve.

 

Wouldn’t be adverse to Rafa offering advice/a consultancy role with the consortium - not sure he’d want that though.

 

In an ideal world Howe would sit down with him and share thoughts and ideas about the squad, which would improve Howe’s management of the team and ostracise Shelvey. But I think that’s more of a wet dream than reality.

[Superior Acuña]

I don't want it to happen, I don't think, but on the other hand I know I'd be absolutely buzzing if it did...

[St1pe]

6 minutes ago, Inferior Acuña said:

I don't want it to happen, I don't think, but on the other hand I know I'd be absolutely buzzing if it did...

Actually I think that’s where I’m at as well 

[junkhead]

I want Rafa IN NOW. Howe seems like a good, dedicated guy but he's failing at his job so far. If we continue like that through February, then Staveley should be ruthless. No point in persisting with something that's not working, while uncle Rafa is jobless.

[AsproHor8319]

23 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

I think the club, owners, fans, probably the manager and coaches are essentially united - far more than we have been for many years... the players on the other hand...

 

Would I take Rafa back? Yes, in a heart beat. However, I think Howe deserves a crack of the whip with a rejuvenated side of his own signings. I think any manager will struggle to get a tune out of some of the shite in the current squad and the problem players would continue to poison the rest of the squad. We need shot of the likes of Shelvey, Gayle, half the defence and get in replacements who are more than the Championship players we brought up from our last promotion. The only reason Rafa managed to get anything out of the current defence was because he had them solidly drilled into playing exactly how he wanted so they didn't have to think for themselves, Bruce relied on that initially but as it became a distant memory under his 'coaching' the defence fell apart. Now we're left with a dogshit defence who don't know what they're doing, a midfield who are weak and uninspiring and strikers who have so little confidence or end product they're completely ineffective.

 

I honestly don't think there's enough time to get the team's mentality in order, even with any new players we bring in. The squad is so ridiculously lacking in quality, leadership and drive that I'm 99% sure we're going down again this season - Mike Ashley's final insult and curse on us after his departure. My biggest concern is not going to be getting promoted back from the Championship, every time it's happened previously there's been worriers who's fretted over a supposed increase in whatever level they think the Championship is at. The thing we should be most worried about is whether the Prem (and so-called big six) will find some other way to hamstring us while we're out of the picture, whether they'll make enough changes to the rules of the league to stop us competing on return. That of course then leads to the train of thought, would our new owners feel that such a fight was worth the bother, would they just up sticks and invest in a different league instead.

I keep hearing excuses for Howe & why its likely we're going to be relegated under his reign even though its not his fault. This is absolute bullshit. Bruce who is a sh*t manager finished 12th last season with pretty much the same team. Howe has had one win in eleven matches which included Norwich, Burnley, Watford at home. Not to mention the Cambridge result. 

 

What the hell does this guy have to do to lose his job??? I never wanted him in the beginning, he made shocking transfers at Bournemouth & relegated them as well. Solanke & Ibe to name a few. 

 

What a job this absolute charlatan has walked into. No wonder he was willing to do 3/4 interviews for the position when the likes of Fonseca, Favre, Gerrard refused to do even one understandably so. When is it ever his fault??? 

 

Now Benitez, a champions league winner, a la liga winner, a uefa cup winner, FA cup winner, Coppa Italia winner is available & people are saying "lets stick with Howe". For gods sake. Given the mindset of some fans, we deserve to go down. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by AsproHor8319

[Menace]

I assume you've not been watching Rafa at Everton then?

[Skeletor]

The whole "This squad finished 12th last season" does my head in. We were in a relegation battle all of last season and due to the congestion at the bottom managed to get 12th by winning our last two games. In that time we stood still keeping the same squad whilst everyone else strengthened. 

[black_n_white]

Rafa was always the consortiums number one guy, I’d love to see Howe succeed but how long can they resist not hiring him with him being available? Rafa would jump at the chance to return too I reckon.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by black_n_white

[GWN]

Jesus , let it go . 
 

Wonderful bloke for us but won’t ever be the same .

 

I wish him well 

[UncleBingo]

Compare and contrast the media/pundit reaction to this.

 

Bruce gets binned leaving NUFC in 19th, 3pts from 8 (0 wins) after spending £120M and there's absolute outrage towards NUFC fans, who sang a few songs about him.

 

Benitez leaves Everton in 16th with 19 pts (5 wins) after spending next to nowt and he's fair game. Everton fans have given him vile abuse from day one and hung Banners outside his house and not a word has been said. Not one.

 

Fucking cunts.

[AsproHor8319]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

I assume you've not been watching Rafa at Everton then?

 

Hes guilty of taking on more jobs than he needs to, thats true. A bit like De Niro the actor.

 

Rafa was never going to succeed at Everton, you dont call a club a small club & expect the fans to forget that, especially Evertonians, not to mention he managed Liverpool previously. When the fans are against you, the players will soon realise this especially with upstarts like Digne. He was fighting a losing battle from day one. 

 

He took on Real Madrid & Chelsea also when he shouldnt have. It doesnt mean he's not quality though. The fact he even managed clubs of those calibre previously says it all. 

 

When a club & its players buy into his methods though, he can achieve great things. Winning a La Liga with Valencia, Champions League with Liverpool to name a few of his achievements. 

 

What has Howe done?? Sweet fuck all & never managed a club of this size. Going on with his data analysis & strategies which havent worked anywhere besides Bournemouth who are currently in the championship. Players are laughing at him behind his back & it shows. 

 

 

 

 

[Skeletor]

2 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

You can say that yeah, but now Howe has Trippier and Wood so nowhere to hide. Either way we had the same midfield. 

 

Well he has Trippier. Wood makes no positive change to the team at all and that one is on Howe.

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

 

Hes guilty of taking on more jobs than he needs to, thats true. A bit like De Niro the actor.

 

Rafa was never going to succeed at Everton, you dont call a club a small club & expect the fans to forget that, especially Evertonians, not to mention he managed Liverpool previously. When the fans are against you, the players will soon realise this especially with upstarts like Digne. He was fighting a losing battle from day one. 

 

He took on Real Madrid & Chelsea also when he shouldnt have. It doesnt mean he's not quality though. The fact he even managed clubs of those calibre previously says it all. 

 

When a club & its players buy into his methods though, he can achieve great things. Winning a La Liga with Valencia, Champions League with Liverpool to name a few of his achievements. 

 

What has Howe done?? Sweet fuck all & never managed a club of this size. Going on with his data analysis & strategies which havent worked anywhere besides Bournemouth who are currently in the championship. Players are laughing at him behind his back & it shows. 

 

 

 

 

You are having a mare in your first few posts, dude. Not saying Howe is beyond criticism (plenty of reasonable criticism to aim at him so far), but dismissing his achievements at Bournemouth is just utterly ridiculous. You sound like a duo acolyte here.

[Superior Acuña]

3 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

 

Hes guilty of taking on more jobs than he needs to, thats true. A bit like De Niro the actor.

 

Rafa was never going to succeed at Everton, you dont call a club a small club & expect the fans to forget that, especially Evertonians, not to mention he managed Liverpool previously. When the fans are against you, the players will soon realise this especially with upstarts like Digne. He was fighting a losing battle from day one. 

 

He took on Real Madrid & Chelsea also when he shouldnt have. It doesnt mean he's not quality though. The fact he even managed clubs of those calibre previously says it all. 

 

When a club & its players buy into his methods though, he can achieve great things. Winning a La Liga with Valencia, Champions League with Liverpool to name a few of his achievements. 

 

What has Howe done?? Sweet fuck all & never managed a club of this size. Going on with his data analysis & strategies which havent worked anywhere besides Bournemouth who are currently in the championship. Players are laughing at him behind his back & it shows. 

 

 

 

 

 

Taking a team from League two to the PL and keeping them there for several seasons is not "fuck all"

[Awaymag]

50 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

Newcastle United fans are far too accepting of cuntish owners & out of their depth managers. Newcastle united should have been boycotted under Ashley & subsequently forced him into a position of where he needed to sell the club. Same as Liverpool did with Hicks & Gillett. 

 

Now we finally have serious owners in charge & people are far too tolerant of a manager who has had a shocking start to his reign. Its clear as day the players are not buying into his methods. Howe is a championship level manager at best that struck lucky with Bournemouth before he relegated them. Hes unable to attract any real quality but managed to get lucky with Trippier who was interested in coming home & signing into a fat contract in his later years.  Wood for 25m has been a shocking transfer. He was so far out of his depth on Saturday it wasnt funny. 

 

Get Benitez in now, he's a winner, he will have far superior contacts in the game to Howe, he knows the majority of the team & the pl inside out, knows how to organise a defence, the fans love & respect him. It's a no brainer, if Howe stays, we're done.

 

 

So you joined 50 mins ago and put in two post about Howe -  you are full of shit and going mute, you fucking turd!

[Fantail Breeze]

Everton fans in complete meltdown mode about Martinez  Whilst I was scrolling through their forum, chuckling to myself while I eat honey roasted peanuts, I found this:

 

"Martinez doesn't really do that. It's rare for us to work on set-pieces. You're given your roles, you're supposed to understand them and if you don't, find out, think for yourself. That was a big changeover for us."

"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball"

 

Apparently a quote from a player during his first reign at Everton. Fucking worrying quote from Jones that like  

[AsproHor8319]

11 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

The whole "This squad finished 12th last season" does my head in. We were in a relegation battle all of last season and due to the congestion at the bottom managed to get 12th by winning our last two games. In that time we stood still keeping the same squad whilst everyone else strengthened. 

We achieved 45 points with pretty much the same team for gods sake last season. We've played 20 games so far this season & are on 12 points. It doesnt take a genius to realise we're way behind where we were with Howe's "tactics". They are having an even more negative effect on the team than Bruce's ever was. 

 

[wormy]

Just now, AsproHor8319 said:

We achieved 45 points with pretty much the same team for gods sake last season. We've played 20 games so far this season & are on 12 points. It doesnt take a genius to realise we're way behind where we were with Howe's "tactics". They are having an even more negative effect on the team than Bruce's ever was. 

 

 

You're fucking AIDS, you. 

[relámpago blanco]

3 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

We achieved 45 points with pretty much the same team for gods sake last season. We've played 20 games so far this season & are on 12 points. It doesnt take a genius to realise we're way behind where we were with Howe's "tactics". They are having an even more negative effect on the team than Bruce's ever was. 

 

[Fantail Breeze]

Joined an hour ago and has only bothered to post about Rafa, weird.

[AsproHor8319]

Its a thread about Rafa. What did you expect

[Kid Icarus]

Considering I was petrified of getting Martinez in our position, Everton fans (who obviously already have first hand experience of his shitness)...I can't lie to you about your chances but you have my sympathies.