Fantail Breeze Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, TRon said: Watching MOTD saw it mentioned that Ivan Toney was actually at Newcastle for 3 years and only got 4 sub appearances. Must admit, along with Mbabu I just don't understand what Rafa didn't like. Can only assume it was the lifestyle,when you look at some of the players we kept on, were they so much better? I assume it was their lifestyle or not buying into what he wanted to achieve. Same reason he canned Mitro because he wouldn’t align with the fitness plan Rafa wanted. Rafa wants model professionals like Rondon, who complies with exactly what he wants both on and off the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Wasn’t it more that Rafa didn’t want to put a kid in the firing line while getting relegated, and then wanting experienced players to bring us up? Armstrong falls into the same category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 No doubt about it; having Toney, Armstrong and Mbabu in the squad this year and last would improve us no doubt, but you can't think they'd be the same players they are now even if they were afforded a chance. They've all left the club, and made something out of their careers and pushed on. Especially forwards like Toney and Armstrong progressed and developed by being their sides main men from the off. Neither were at the level to be starting ahead of Gayle, Mitro, Perez or Murphy in Championship, let alone starting in PL. Rafa had to make do with Joselu, but even he was more fitting in Rafa's eyes to be trusted with minutes. Coming off the bench, and being fed to the wolves would have never made Toney or Armstrong the players they are now. Turning it up a notch, Chelsea can have the same gripe about KDB, Salah, Lukaku and even Cuardrado leaving the club; but all needed to leave, play games to progress their careers and develop into the players they became. Remember Mourinho talking about KDB coming to him saying he wants to play, and forced himself a move to Wolfsburg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: I assume it was their lifestyle or not buying into what he wanted to achieve. Same reason he canned Mitro because he wouldn’t align with the fitness plan Rafa wanted. Rafa wants model professionals like Rondon, who complies with exactly what he wants both on and off the pitch. Yeah, nor sure how that applies in the modern era. Mourinho also binned off a lot of young talent at Chelsea and where is he now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Danh1 said: Wonder how Rafa truly feels about being at Everton, especially now our takeover has happened. They have got Liverpool next Wednesday and I think it could be the day the Scouse Mackems crowd turn on him if they get stuffed and the Liverpool fans are chanting his name. As someone that hates Everton marginally more than Liverpool, that would be superb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Dread to think what Everton forums are like currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Robster said: Dread to think what Everton forums are like currently. To be fair, there aren’t many managers who could only take one win from 10 games and survive significant criticism. Especially the manner of some of those defeats. Losing 5-2 at home to Watford. If he doesn’t turn this game around he’s going to need a miracle with the run they’ve got coming up. Edited November 28, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I do wonder what's next for him if he leaves Everton. Going after the money again in some nothing league or a midtable club in Spain perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Given the money Everton have spent in recent years, their squad is absolutely fucking awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, toon25 said: Given the money Everton have spent in recent years, their squad is absolutely fucking awful. They poached that chap from Leicester didn’t they? The one credited with scouting Mahrez and Kante. Walsh I think his name is. Obviously hasn’t worked out quite as well there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Rafa appears to have lost his touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, toon25 said: Given the money Everton have spent in recent years, their squad is absolutely fucking awful. They're playing Brentford though, not Man City. The football is pretty dreadful which doesn't help. I hope for Rafa's sake the owners show some patience, but from the outside it doesn't look like the players have bought in to his methods at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Everton's squad is rancid outside of DCL and Richarlison. Not surprised they're settling into lower midtable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Could be the end if they get turned over home to Liverpool in midweek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Mid-table without DCL and could they be dragged into a relegation fight? It’s not looking good for Rafa it has to be said, if they stick with him and back him in the transfer market, however, I think long-term he will bring a better degree of success for them than under previous managers. I fancy them to get a draw against Liverpool mind, still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Liverpool,Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester in their next 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: They poached that chap from Leicester didn’t they? The one credited with scouting Mahrez and Kante. Walsh I think his name is. Obviously hasn’t worked out quite as well there. Aye it’s Steve Walsh. An inadvertent Newcastle United legend. Edited November 28, 2021 by WarrenBartonCentrePartin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, The Butcher said: I do wonder what's next for him if he leaves Everton. Going after the money again in some nothing league or a midtable club in Spain perhaps? He's got to succeed here IMO otherwise he's not getting a big job again in the Premier. That type of football is not really successful any more, it's more suited to lower half teams who give the better teams the odd bloody nose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, HTT II said: Mid-table without DCL and could they be dragged into a relegation fight? It’s not looking good for Rafa it has to be said, if they stick with him and back him in the transfer market, however, I think long-term he will bring a better degree of success for them than under previous managers. I fancy them to get a draw against Liverpool mind, still. They can’t back him in the transfer window, he has nowt to spend. Other than a free transfer or loan, he won’t be getting anyone in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Not looking good. Was always doomed to end in tears but I thought he'd be doing better than this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 He's definitely going to be sacked soon with current form and upcoming fixtures. You should have just came back here Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I don't really get the narrative that Everton has a poor squad. I'd be over the moon if we had Rondon & Tosun as cover for DCL and Richarlison, or Gomes, Delph and Sigurdsson as cover for Allan and Doucoure, or Holgate and Godfrey as cover for Keane and Mina. The only position they are lacking adequate cover behind a strong startin 11 is on the wings imo. Benitez is definitely under performing despite injury problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 At least their fans will be pleased anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 No point denying it ,he’s got them playing shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 He’s been pretty shite everywhere recently apart from us. His choice of job has been his biggest downfall. It was never going to work at Everton or Real, although I don’t begrudge someone taking the Real job. The China move was ridiculous too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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