Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The litmus test is really what the match going fans think and well basically, the fan groups are failing. The fan groups are 'failing' because the drones are saying everything they do is pointless, and therefore won't take part. Yeah, so the fan groups should really make it a priority to educate the drones. The drones don't read the broadsheets. Have you ever actually attempted this yourself? I'm not sure you appreciate how difficult and energy sapping it is to talk to brick walls, but for your own sanity I don't recommend it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 To me it looks like theres 50k fans in the City willing to accept Mike Ashleys version of NUfc- ( surviving with no ambition) and many of them see objecting to protests as part of supporting, which is really accepting this version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 its so fucking depressing this whole thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I don't think it was necessarily the wrong time for Robson to go - the team was certainly not performing that well (we finished 5th on 56 points in 03/04 - the points total being a fairer reflection of the performance than the league position) and expectations were obviously higher then (and rightfully so). The bigger mistake was not appointing a good manager after Robson. Agreed, but the best way forward would have been to keep Sir Bobby in some kind of capacity and work towards finding a successor and not so much a replacement. He shouldn’t have been sacked and I don’t think we would have been in any danger of going down at all that season. He was more than capable of sorting the dressing room out, but was undermined from above and wasn’t fully supported by some of the senior players and taken advantage of by some of the younger players in that regard once it was official he was in his final season. It stemmed from the top, Woodgate was sold and Bobby wasn’t allowed to replace him. Kluivert, Butt and Carr were all signed ahead of players he had identified and Speed was sold against his wishes. Bobby would never have turned down the signing of Rooney, but knew it was bull shit and said live on air if we have 23m for a striker which we don’t need, can I have some money to replace Woodate. What a shitty horrible pre-season that was which only got worse. Conjunctivitis, a ridiculous pre-season in Asia and all kinds of bullshit off the pitch that had Shearer signing for Torino at one point. Bobby lost his true captain and one guaranteed ally in Speed that summer. He was so upset about that while FS was crowing about getting 750k for a 34 year old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 To be honest, am beginning to think the only alternative is to set up our own club. AFC Wimbledon have shown that it can be done (albeit, I appreciate, the circumstances for setting up the club we’re different to ours). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 To be honest, am beginning to think the only alternative is to set up our own club. AFC Wimbledon have shown that it can be done (albeit, I appreciate, the circumstances for setting up the club we’re different to ours). Probably right, but I can’t see people going for it judging by the lack of protests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 To be honest, am beginning to think the only alternative is to set up our own club. AFC Wimbledon have shown that it can be done (albeit, I appreciate, the circumstances for setting up the club we’re different to ours). yep- said it years ago- one of the things that validates Ashley is he has a monopoly on providing a team for the fans- until some of them decide otherwise. Imagine where it- / NUfc could be with another 10 years of Ashley here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The big issue for us is that the FCB still has SJP. If a phoenix club could get SJP, then it would be much bigger than AFC Wimbledon, as NUFC has always had a much bigger following than Wimbledon. I would happily take a decade coming up the league system to be rid of the FCB, but to make it work, the old club would need to move or die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The litmus test is really what the match going fans think and well basically, the fan groups are failing. The fan groups are 'failing' because the drones are saying everything they do is pointless, and therefore won't take part. Yeah, so the fan groups should really make it a priority to educate the drones. The drones don't read the broadsheets. What have they been trying to do since they started? What do you think the open letter that you've just ridiculed is about? Trying to ramp up pressure by educating those further afield about the state of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Why don't we try something totally simple/different (Never seen it done before) we can see noone wants to stop backing the team under Rafa anyway.So simply if you go to the game in any official toon shirt wear it inside out? It would get the sponsors to listen the media would spot it and less money when the deal expires ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 This place is on loop at the minute Absolute head blag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The litmus test is really what the match going fans think and well basically, the fan groups are failing. The fan groups are 'failing' because the drones are saying everything they do is pointless, and therefore won't take part. Yeah, so the fan groups should really make it a priority to educate the drones. The drones don't read the broadsheets. What have they been trying to do since they started? What do you think the open letter that you've just ridiculed is about? Trying to ramp up pressure by educating those further afield about the state of the club. Absolutely. How one track minded can you be not to see that's the aim? Do you honestly think its aimed at him directly in terms of getting him to spend? It's open because his shareholders, sports media. business and fans will see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I'm with HTT, the disquiet was more about the behaviour and attitude of some of the players. Once Dyer refused to be a sub against Boro (IIRC), it was all over. Very much this.......there was some whingeing and moaning (as every other manager has experienced at SJP) but in no way it can be described as 'hounding' him out. I'm just amazed a fellow NUFC fan could describe it as thus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I just don’t get the buzz people seem to get from mocking people who are making a concerted effort to make things harder for the bloke we all hate It’s one thing to be like “I don’t agree with this” and another entirely to be sarcy as fuck like “hahaha oooooo a letter! A little letter! That’ll show ‘em!” I just don’t get the mindset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The open letter is an absolute pointless exercise apart from making those who wrote it feel better about themselves in that they are doing something about all this. I'll never discourage anything anyone ever does to get rid of Ashley, though this move is a nothing move with little consequence, but what else can they do? The mass have shown their true colours, they can't be arsed to do anything and refuse to participate in anything that involves any effort from their behalf. Because of that Ashley is going nowhere. I put it down to the type and class of people who associate with football these days. The 'working man' era have either been priced out, barred or gave up long ago. SJP is now full of the next generation of fan. The customer. No different from those who attend the cinema and in that the emotion has been diluted to near nothingness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Ashely is a joke the team is a joke the club is a joke and the fans are the biggest joke of the lot . Newcastle United is dead folks ... get used to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest chopey Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The open letter is an absolute pointless exercise apart from making those who wrote it feel better about themselves in that they are doing something about all this. I'll never discourage anything anyone ever does to get rid of Ashley, though this move is a nothing move with little consequence, but what else can they do? The mass have shown their true colours, they can't be arsed to do anything and refuse to participate in anything that involves any effort from their behalf. Because of that Ashley is going nowhere. I put it down to the type and class of people who associate with football these days. The 'working man' era have either been priced out, barred or gave up long ago. SJP is now full of the next generation of fan. The customer. No different from those who attend the cinema and in that the emotion has been diluted to near nothingness. That's a cracking way to put it, I saw a steward last night tell a fan to stop shouting with a finger on his lips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I agree with hughsey. Moving on from SBR was not necessarily a bad idea, we just monumentally fucked up the replacement Yeap, SBR was making some bad mistakes for the club, we needed a change but not that change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Bet Man U wish they’d stuck an option-to-buy in the loan deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The open letter is an absolute pointless exercise apart from making those who wrote it feel better about themselves in that they are doing something about all this. I'll never discourage anything anyone ever does to get rid of Ashley, though this move is a nothing move with little consequence, but what else can they do? The mass have shown their true colours, they can't be arsed to do anything and refuse to participate in anything that involves any effort from their behalf. Because of that Ashley is going nowhere. I put it down to the type and class of people who associate with football these days. The 'working man' era have either been priced out, barred or gave up long ago. SJP is now full of the next generation of fan. The customer. No different from those who attend the cinema and in that the emotion has been diluted to near nothingness. This has been Ashley's target all along: A stadium full of consumption-zombies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I agree with hughsey. Moving on from SBR was not necessarily a bad idea, we just monumentally f***ed up the replacement Yeap, SBR was making some bad mistakes for the club, we needed a change but not that change. Unless I'm misremembering, the consensus was that he'd lost the dressing room and a disciplinarian was needed to whip the players into line, hence why Sourpuss came in. In hindsight, it was a shit idea and the players needed sone Pep style leadership instead, but hindsight is a great thing. Real shame, because the club had some fantastic players at the time. Could have won stuff if they'd have performed anywhere near their potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The open letter is an absolute pointless exercise apart from making those who wrote it feel better about themselves in that they are doing something about all this. I'll never discourage anything anyone ever does to get rid of Ashley, though this move is a nothing move with little consequence, but what else can they do? The mass have shown their true colours, they can't be arsed to do anything and refuse to participate in anything that involves any effort from their behalf. Because of that Ashley is going nowhere. I put it down to the type and class of people who associate with football these days. The 'working man' era have either been priced out, barred or gave up long ago. SJP is now full of the next generation of fan. The customer. No different from those who attend the cinema and in that the emotion has been diluted to near nothingness. This has been Ashley's target all along: A stadium full of consumption-zombies. Yeap, he wants customers not fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Have I missed it, or is there any chance of anyone copy and pasting this open letter here for all to see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I just don’t get the buzz people seem to get from mocking people who are making a concerted effort to make things harder for the bloke we all hate It’s one thing to be like “I don’t agree with this” and another entirely to be sarcy as f*** like “hahaha oooooo a letter! A little letter! That’ll show ‘em!” I just don’t get the mindset. You're assuming a buzz. There's no malice intended against those in the fans groups, just against the the letter. I don't think the opinion of a random user on an internet forum should really matter to those involved unless there is an ounce of truth in it. In which case, maybe it'll be helpful in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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