Klaus Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Is Staveley slightly cross eyed? Looks it on Doons avatar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Am I the only one that thinks PCP are taking the piss a bit with the relegation clause? I don't think they are. Mike Ashley is selling a football club that has an average squad of players by Premier League standards. That's all because of his lack of proper investment. I think it's fair for them to use that as a negotiating tool. Agreed. You have to ask what went into the CIM in terms of bigging us up. Pretty sure it would've said something like 'An ever present in the Premier League, two seasons aside, since it's inception' blah blah blah. She's basically called him on it. If they're so strong then let's share the risk. Not unusual at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 what's being said right now on SSN? Can't properly hear it. In a crowded place. basic gist of it is he thinks 300m is undervaluing the club (380m is what he thinks) and the potential relegation clauses are very unusual and thinks it unlikely that Ashley would accept them, both smart business people and nufc great prospect to buy Funny how he's finally going on like we're of value now he wants to sell us. After years of carrying on like we weren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to the guardian if a bid is accepted at this point it'd still be a month before the purchase will go through, that leaves little margin for error to get funds ready for january window. Accepting that is true I am not sure january investment is that likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to the guardian if a bid is accepted at this point it'd still be a month before the purchase will go through, that leaves little margin for error to get funds ready for january window. Accepting that is true I am not sure january investment is that likely. I thought Rafa's pre-match comments about the window were quite interesting. He basically played down the possible spend of the new owner, in the event that deal happened. I think he's very very aware of what's happening and probably has had contact with AS directly. Has he done that to keep the expectations of other clubs down in terms of fees? Has he done it manage our expectations? OR do they not actually have that much money to spend at all? Anyone's guess but he knows something.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I was wrong then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to the guardian if a bid is accepted at this point it'd still be a month before the purchase will go through, that leaves little margin for error to get funds ready for january window. Accepting that is true I am not sure january investment is that likely. Still plenty of time to purchase players before the window closes. Not buying that at all as an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Maybe that's what the relegation clause is about? If the process of completing the deal takes that long then maybe they're thinking it might be concluded late into the January window leaving them little time to get players in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to the guardian if a bid is accepted at this point it'd still be a month before the purchase will go through, that leaves little margin for error to get funds ready for january window. Accepting that is true I am not sure january investment is that likely. Still plenty of time to purchase players before the window closes. Not buying that at all as an excuse. The bid hasn't been accepted yet though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to the guardian if a bid is accepted at this point it'd still be a month before the purchase will go through, that leaves little margin for error to get funds ready for january window. Accepting that is true I am not sure january investment is that likely. I thought Rafa's pre-match comments about the window were quite interesting. He basically played down the possible spend of the new owner, in the event that deal happened. I think he's very very aware of what's happening and probably has had contact with AS directly. Has he done that to keep the expectations of other clubs down in terms of fees? Has he done it manage our expectations? OR do they not actually have that much money to spend at all? Anyone's guess but he knows something.... I think its a bit of the first two.... but I'm not expecting a sudden huge outlay if/when a takeover happens either. I think the crucial thing this takeover may give Rafa, is true full control over the players he wants to bring in. Its been said that he had personal conversations with Abraham, then the club didn't follow up sufficiently and do the deal. Rafa has also allegedly wanted to try and bring Reina in since he came here, but the club were probably reluctant to spend £5m+ on an ageing keeper. Hopefully what this new ownership will give Rafa is the confidence he has the backing of the club and ability to go out and get the players he wants - not even for crazy fees, or marquee signings - but players that he feels will improve the team, and that he trusts. He clearly didn't get that sort of full backing from Ashley and Charnley in the summer, and he probably feels only a change in ownership will do that. Lets hope it happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Think 1 reason that Rafa is still sticking around is he's got his targets ready for January and has all his plans laid out. If he doesn't get to achieve them by end of January or even before that if he knows its not going to happen, he'll be off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I was wrong then. What a wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I was wrong then. What a wanker. First we find out Piers Morgan is a sex offender and now Haydn is a liar. What next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 According to the guardian if a bid is accepted at this point it'd still be a month before the purchase will go through, that leaves little margin for error to get funds ready for january window. Accepting that is true I am not sure january investment is that likely. Still plenty of time to purchase players before the window closes. Not buying that at all as an excuse. The bid hasn't been accepted yet though. If it's not accepted before late December then the club should be taken off the market, as we'll be effectively down. We need investment that is clear, even with Rafa in charge, and there would be no chance of that happening while in the midst of a takeover. We are more than a month away from that point, it's not time to panic yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Am I the only one that thinks PCP are taking the piss a bit with the relegation clause? They’d have a full transfer window and half a season to avoid relegation, when we’re currently 11th. I could understand it if this deal was being completed in February or March, but it seems a bit cheeky imo. I know we’re in this situation due to MA’s own failings, but we’re doing okay at present and PCP should be able to do enough in their time to ensure that relegation isn’t a probability. They’ll probably drop the clause and were just trying their luck but I can understand why MA is unimpressed with it. Absolutely not, we might be uncomfortably close to the relegation spots by the time January comes round, and there's no guarantee the players needed to turn it round will be available then. Anyway, if Ashley thinks there's no chance of us getting relegated then he should have no problem with the clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I was wrong then. What a w*****. Repugnant. First we find out Piers Morgan is a sex offender and now Haydn is a liar. What next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It's actually an incredibly shrewd clause to force Ashley to make a decision quickly and face reality - his lack of investment over these years, esp the past few transfer windows can come back to bite him again if he doesn't get a deal done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Was Googling that Piers Morgan shit and now I'm disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Maybz their waitin til black fryday 2 gt it cheap her pmsl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Am I the only one that thinks PCP are taking the p*ss a bit with the relegation clause? They’d have a full transfer window and half a season to avoid relegation, when we’re currently 11th. I could understand it if this deal was being completed in February or March, but it seems a bit cheeky imo. I know we’re in this situation due to MA’s own failings, but we’re doing okay at present and PCP should be able to do enough in their time to ensure that relegation isn’t a probability. They’ll probably drop the clause and were just trying their luck but I can understand why MA is unimpressed with it. Absolutely not, we might be uncomfortably close to the relegation spots by the time January comes round, and there's no guarantee the players needed to turn it round will be available then. Anyway, if Ashley thinks there's no chance of us getting relegated then he should have no problem with the clause. I don't think they're taking the piss either. We've dropped points on the back of Ashley choosing to back Rafa with peanuts, namely upfront (Joselu). Sketchy looking run of fixtures prior to Jan 1st, and it's biting us on the arse now. Understandable that PCP/Staveley are playing hardball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I was wrong then. What a wanker. First we find out Piers Morgan is a sex offender and now Haydn is a liar. What next? Hads on, Haydn's a liar. And also I learnt earlier on that buyers are liars. Could it be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Maybz their waitin til black fryday 2 gt it cheap her pmsl Mandy gets in frm skwl n sez she wontz a footie club 4 xmas!!!! Got me alarm set 4 5am 2 stand outside jaymes's park n get 1. Eeeee wot am a lyk man ehehehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Staveley wants a relegation clause. Substantial amount refunded should we go down. This all sound ridiculous now. Like buying a house not paying for a thorough survey finding your roof is f***ed then claiming you want half your money back, get real. You buy something in the knowledge it is a club that has just been promoted and there is a risk, fund the f***ing thing! Are we now going to end up with the female equivalent of Ashley? This post misses the point by a good light year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It's actually an incredibly shrewd clause to force Ashley to make a decision quickly and face reality - his lack of investment over these years, esp the past few transfer windows can come back to bite him again if he doesn't get a deal done. Push him into a corner and he'll react negatively. He's not the kind of bloke to push around in negotations imho. I think he'd, rightly imo, expect more than £300m. If it max's out there, he won't deal but positive that he's not rejected it out of hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 SSN just delivered an ‘update’. Basically that negotiations are ongoing. Nowt new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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