Chris_R Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 HoF stores saved including the Metro Centre one. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46959813 All hail King Mike. From what I've heard they wont have many staff left to fill them, leaving in their droves because of the new contracts. Why don't they just refuse the new contracts? I've done that twice at separate employers. Nobody can just change your contract unless you agree to it. What happens then? Can’t they just sack you for not agreeing to a contract? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 But you would have to leave when the current contract expires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Where do you work where your contract has an expiry date on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To say a little more on this, I get that employers often try to change people's contacts, often to terms which are worse for the employees. I also get that many employees feel they have to sign these contracts. But you don't. You can just say "no" and insist you work under the old terms. Any attempt to sack you for that or terminate your contract would count as unfair dismissal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To say a little more on this, I get that employers often try to change people's contacts, often to terms which are worse for the employees. I also get that many employees feel they have to sign these contracts. But you don't. You can just say "no" and insist you work under the old terms. Any attempt to sack you for that or terminate your contract would count as unfair dismissal. That's not strictly true. Employers can go extreme and do something called 'Terminate and re-engage' where they basically terminate your contract and offer you the new one. If you don't accept it, you don't have a job. As I said, that's extreme but they can do that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To say a little more on this, I get that employers often try to change people's contacts, often to terms which are worse for the employees. I also get that many employees feel they have to sign these contracts. But you don't. You can just say "no" and insist you work under the old terms. Any attempt to sack you for that or terminate your contract would count as unfair dismissal. That's not strictly true. Employers can go extreme and do something called 'Terminate and re-engage' where they basically terminate your contract and offer you the new one. If you don't accept it, you don't have a job. As I said, that's extreme but they can do that But that termination is unfair dismissal. Take them to court and you will win unless they can show that had a valid reason to terminate you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Where do you work where your contract has an expiry date on it? Some people are hired for a certain amount of time. Proper specialist programmers for example. In entertainment folks might be hired for X amount of shows. Normally in retail, customer service etc there is no end date as such once hired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Where do you work where your contract has an expiry date on it? Some people are hired for a certain amount of time. Proper specialist programmers for example. In entertainment folks might be hired for X amount of shows. Normally in retail, customer service etc there is no end date as such once hired. Yeah, fair point. Forgot about contractors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Where do you work where your contract has an expiry date on it? Most teachers these days only get fixed term 12 month contracts. Very hard to get a permanent one, they're like rocking horse shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 stars out of 5 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 “And Ashley doesn’t care if they get relegated, he has proven the fact that it doesn’t cost him anything, so he doesn’t care. “The only time Mike Ashley will sell Newcastle is when it really starts to cost him something.” That is it. The only way this ever ends is to go down and stay down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To say a little more on this, I get that employers often try to change people's contacts, often to terms which are worse for the employees. I also get that many employees feel they have to sign these contracts. But you don't. You can just say "no" and insist you work under the old terms. Any attempt to sack you for that or terminate your contract would count as unfair dismissal. That's not strictly true. Employers can go extreme and do something called 'Terminate and re-engage' where they basically terminate your contract and offer you the new one. If you don't accept it, you don't have a job. As I said, that's extreme but they can do that But that termination is unfair dismissal. Take them to court and you will win unless they can show that had a valid reason to terminate you. Well quite, but they can legitimise the termination within the parameters of employment law. Anyway, enough HR tittle tattle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 they can legitimise the termination within the parameters of employment law. I have to strongly dispute this. You can't just terminate someone who is good at their job and then prove that's legitimate at tribunal. Especially if you've offered them a new contract! AND done it to everyone else on the payroll too. Like I said earlier, I've been through this twice myself. Successfully. Once against one of the biggest North East employers who thought they could bully their staff and that nobody would dare stand up to them. You simply cannot change someone's contract without their permission. Anyway, Ashley's a cunt. Let's get back to something we all agree on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 “And Ashley doesn’t care if they get relegated, he has proven the fact that it doesn’t cost him anything, so he doesn’t care. “The only time Mike Ashley will sell Newcastle is when it really starts to cost him something.” That is it. The only way this ever ends is to go down and stay down As much of a twat Slimon Jordan is, he’s absolutely right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 they can legitimise the termination within the parameters of employment law. I have to strongly dispute this. You can't just terminate someone who is good at their job and then prove that's legitimate at tribunal. Especially if you've offered them a new contract! AND done it to everyone else on the payroll too. Like I said earlier, I've been through this twice myself. Successfully. Once against one of the biggest North East employers who thought they could bully their staff and that nobody would dare stand up to them. You simply cannot change someone's contract without their permission. Anyway, Ashley's a cunt. Let's get back to something we all agree on! There are ways of making your position redundant and offering you the new contract under a different guise, but either way will cost them money. You are protected by law in a takeover to refuse any contract and retain your existing contract though. If there's a will there's a way and if he wanted to be a twat (he is) he could find a way. All that matters to him is money and how much he can squeeze out of any company with minimum outlay, it's an unsustainable business model and it will come down on him at some point. Ashley just needs to fuck off, he's a blight not just on NUFC but on the English high street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To say a little more on this, I get that employers often try to change people's contacts, often to terms which are worse for the employees. I also get that many employees feel they have to sign these contracts. But you don't. You can just say "no" and insist you work under the old terms. Any attempt to sack you for that or terminate your contract would count as unfair dismissal. That's not strictly true. Employers can go extreme and do something called 'Terminate and re-engage' where they basically terminate your contract and offer you the new one. If you don't accept it, you don't have a job. As I said, that's extreme but they can do that But that termination is unfair dismissal. Take them to court and you will win unless they can show that had a valid reason to terminate you. Its not unfair if its for financial and economic reasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I would have thought the answer was "It depends" on factors like the industry and nature of the contracts. There are too many variables involved in employment law to make blanket statements. That said, English employment laws allow zero-hour contracts, so its clearly bonkers there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 We’re the 19th richest club in the world apparently. First time in a few years that we’ve made the top 20 list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 If Liverpool are about to win the league I wonder how many of the support the regime not the team heroes will be gasping to sell their tickets for big cash on the last home game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 We’re the 19th richest club in the world apparently. First time in a few years that we’ve made the top 20 list. It's all in wallpaper though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 We’re the 19th richest club in the world apparently. First time in a few years that we’ve made the top 20 list. And he still won't sell up, strange that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11615548/newcastle-rank-19th-in-deloitte-money-league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 We’re the 19th richest club in the world apparently. First time in a few years that we’ve made the top 20 list. Not bad considering our Matchday and Commercial revenue i’m assuming are nowhere near the levels of 2007-2008!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Where’s our money gone you fat cunt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 We’re the 19th richest club in the world apparently. First time in a few years that we’ve made the top 20 list. Not bad considering our Matchday and Commercial revenue i’m assuming are nowhere near the levels of 2007-2008!! In fact we should have seen this aspect of the business grow by at least 40%in the last 11 years It’s simply staggering incompetence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Not when you consider what that negligence designed to benefit - its very competent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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