mighty__mag Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 I have no faith in this guy. Must be his last season with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Maybe harsh but he looked fucking tiny for the last 2 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) Think he's not as good as he once was. The same will happen to Pope too. Might as well shop for a decent keeper with long term in mind too. Don't kmowmif Karius would do much worse than Dubs right now. Edited December 26, 2023 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Its a problem having a keeper whether he's at fault or not that concedes so readily. The effect that has on a keeper themselves and people around them drops performance levels. Certainly effects me. Even though of course they wont he's now one of those keepers I expect the other team to score against with pretty much every chance they have and am pleasantly surprised when they don't where I gave Pope every chance of saving us. Its not wise after the fact either. If we recall, a lot of us were talking about how backwards he seemed to have gone years back after his injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Awful. Think he’s finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Just....not...good....enough. His decision making is terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 He basically only saves shots that are straight at him, anything that's not usually goes in. Absolutely finished as a top level goalie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upthemags Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Hard to assess his performance with the back line he has protecting him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 I don't think he was particularly at fault for any of the goals but then a first choice PL level goalkeeper possibly does something about one or two of them and he isn't that. Just yet another area where we've been shafted with injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Was thinking in that first half that he was playing well but then he was awful for the 2 goals in the second half (Obviously he wasn't the main player at fault but his role can't be downplayed) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 There are issues all over the pitch including confidence,and he's not a bad keeper in the right system, but he doesn't really work too well in ours, I think. He doesn't leave his line enough and sweep up danger like Pope does, leaving a gap between him and the defence for opposition players lurking on their shoulders to run into. Likewise, he doesn't command the box for corners or crosses in the same way. He does have better distribution, but then we don't hold up the ball well higher up the pitch or play possession, so it comes straight back. We've typically played better forcing turnovers when the opposition have it and staging a rapid attack when we do and they're on the back foot. You'd think he'd do far better in a team that stayed compact and sat back, launching accurate balls for counter-attacks which isn't really how we play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Upthemags said: Hard to assess his performance with the back line he has protecting him Not really. Keepers cant have blinders if the defence isn't being broken through, but they do, and its not like its chance after chance like Given at Wigan or Krul at Bournemouth/Spurs. There's arguably no better time to judge but its certainly not hard. Edited December 26, 2023 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Pickford was really good at Sunderland when they were awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 He’s fucking shit. Has been since he came back into the team. Give the good looking Jorman a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) Couldn't do a thing about the goals...still some idiots blame him The defence, mainly Trippier are at fault for most goals he's conceded ffs. Trippier EIGHT alone this month. Edited December 26, 2023 by Aiston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Aiston said: Couldn't do a thing about the goals...still some idiots blame him The defence, mainly Trippier are at fault for most goals he's conceded ffs. Trippier EIGHT alone this month. Both can be true, mind. The defence have been shit today and in recent games. But he is rooted to his line and looks so unsure with one on ones, never coming out convincingly and somehow makes himself smaller when trying to save the ball. In his defence. He has been brilliant at plucking some decent shot-cum-crosses out of the air when close to him and when he’s diving and reaching for it. But all that said. He is a big downgrade in every way, bar his kicking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 As someone said earlier, I just don't trust him. That did, no tip side could manage without their first choice keeper for 5 months and expect results not to suffer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 hour ago, toon25 said: As someone said earlier, I just don't trust him. That did, no tip side could manage without their first choice keeper for 5 months and expect results not to suffer I don’t think the defence trust him either. Our defence has looked all over the place since Pope has been out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 23 minutes ago, reefatoon said: I don’t think the defence trust him either. Our defence has looked all over the place since Pope has been out. Not Dub's fault our defence is fucking everything up this month....how can he trust them ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Aiston said: Couldn't do a thing about the goals...still some idiots blame him The defence, mainly Trippier are at fault for most goals he's conceded ffs. Trippier EIGHT alone this month. 100% this for me - he’s the scapegoat - utterly insane blaming him for today and not the back four who were an absolute shambles in front of him. Mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) The same back four we've had for a year and half that has served us great hasn't coincidentally imploded with the reintroduction of a keeper most of us accepted wasn't as good as he used to be before we loaned him out a year and half ago. That's way too much of a reach to at the absolute minimum, dismiss the counter arguement as insane. The common consensus seemed to be that a new keeper wasn't a priority but when we saw the clip of Pope we held our hands up and said 'fair fucking do's'. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater, at the very least, Pope is the better of the two so obviously there's a downturn. Edited December 27, 2023 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Our attacking and midfield press isnt right and half a yard off Midfield suffers as a result as they have more work to do which they can’t deal with and were already playing a high risk/reward game Defensive line is subsequently overexposed and struggling plus also losing confidence in themselves as a result Keeper isn’t as confident sweeping and being proactive compounding issues at the back. The drop from Pope to Dubravka is biggish but not season defining but I’d be amazed if they’re not looking at David De Goth as a short term even though he suffers from many of the same deficiencies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, toon25 said: As someone said earlier, I just don't trust him. That did, no tip side could manage without their first choice keeper for 5 months and expect results not to suffer The same year Schmiechel single handedly deprived us of the title when we cut their defence to shreads they got beat 3-0 off York City at Old Trafford with Kevin Pilkington in goal. It wasn't because Bruce, Pallister and Neville had turned to shit. Dubs doesnt deserve comparison to Pilkinngton and he's served us well on the whole and that is an extreme example but it is an exaomple of the difference a keeper can make and how you're allowed to make saves after a defence has been beaten. Edited December 27, 2023 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Disco said: Our attacking and midfield press isnt right and half a yard off Midfield suffers as a result as they have more work to do which they can’t deal with and were already playing a high risk/reward game Defensive line is subsequently overexposed and struggling plus also losing confidence in themselves as a result Keeper isn’t as confident sweeping and being proactive compounding issues at the back. The drop from Pope to Dubravka is biggish but not season defining but I’d be amazed if they’re not looking at David De Goth as a short term even though he suffers from many of the same deficiencies. Endorse that. As far as I've read nobody has made Dubravka a scapegoat. With Pope we probably still don't win today. There's a season and a half of evidence backing a marked improvement under Pope if opinions are being dismissed but there's no doubt were down a few perecent across the park which needs just as much attention. Dismissing any part of our play as not needing improved at present isn't constructive, we did only score a penalty but that has to include a keeper that's conceded a shit ton more goals on average than the bloke he replaced otherwise were just scapegoating someone else. Edited December 27, 2023 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Another very disappointing display Needs upgrading ASAP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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