SEMTEX Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 still absolute shit, this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 How can the same VAR ref give nothing for the rugby tackle on Maguire? Ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Farcical, needs to be abolished. Has only made football worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It’s actually just given refs more scope to be corrupt or inept And taken any immediate, unbridled joy when scoring out of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, LV said: It’s actually just given refs more scope to be corrupt or inept And taken any immediate, unbridled joy when scoring out of the game. It hasn’t given them any more scope, it’s just brought it out into the open a bit. Those shitty decisions today were absolutely typical and predictable. The one thing it has done I guess is add in other refs to help make the corrupt or inept decisions. Allowing the underdog to do whatever they want at corners then taking the opportunity to give them a consolation was entirely consistent with how refs have operated for eons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 If the refereeing standard isn’t up to using VAR then it needs binning. There’s absolutely no point having decisions take longer and still be wrong. It’s genuinely something that is damaging football. The refs clearly can’t implement it properly so hoy it in the fucking sea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, leffe186 said: It hasn’t given them any more scope, it’s just brought it out into the open a bit. Those shitty decisions today were absolutely typical and predictable. The one thing it has done I guess is add in other refs to help make the corrupt or inept decisions. Allowing the underdog to do whatever they want at corners then taking the opportunity to give them a consolation was entirely consistent with how refs have operated for eons. Yeah that’s what I meant by more scope. An extra forum for other refs to get involved in the fuckery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 The referee should have just not awarded the penalty. Got to show consistency. As for penalties for shirt tugs that was nothing compared to the Wolves shirt pull against us. Can you imagine if that today had affected the result - in the 10th minute of injury time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Both were penalties. The problem with the Maguire rugby tackle was the timing… it was in the 3rd minute of the game and awarding a PK for that would have locked the referee into awarding more penalties for similar actions throughout the rest of the game. There was also enough player contact where the rugby tackle wasn’t the only thing that could have brought him down. it came back to bite him with the definite shirt pull that he couldn’t ignore. Had Maguires rugby tackle been in the second half of the game it would have been given Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Exiled in Texas said: Both were penalties. The problem with the Maguire rugby tackle was the timing… it was in the 3rd minute of the game and awarding a PK for that would have locked the referee into awarding more penalties for similar actions throughout the rest of the game. There was also enough player contact where the rugby tackle wasn’t the only thing that could have brought him down. it came back to bite him with the definite shirt pull that he couldn’t ignore. Had Maguires rugby tackle been in the second half of the game it would have been given Actually disagree with most of that. I think the bear hug on Maguire was about as clear as you can get timing or not, he had him pinned and bundled to the ground. Simply blatant. The shirt tug by Stones goes on at just about every corner kick in every game, it was quite mild. A light tug should not lead to a player's legs collapsing beneath him. Blatant bullshit honestly. At the very least they're both penalties, if you're giving one you had to give the other. If you didn't give the first, this should not be given either. Your other point is really a point on referee and player psychology (which might be accurate but is misplaced) and I personally think if the Maguire foul is given (correctly), it sets a tone that you can't fucking bear hug and wrestle players to the ground. The ref says "this is a penalty and I won't stand for this type of fouling in the penalty area on corner kicks". Hey presto, the wrestling mostly stops, instead of continuing all game. It's weak as piss officiating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Understand your thinking Lion. Don’t disagree with your thoughts on the two incidents. But the Referee isn’t going to lock himself in to decisions that early. You say the players will change behavior but they won’t. So he is either inconsistent or awards a half dozen penalties and is thought to have “lost control” of the game. That’s why referees give the benefit on yellow cards in first 10 minutes. You’d like to have the utopia of “a foul in the 1st minute is the same as a foul in the 70th”. Or a foul in the center circle is a foul in the box, but we know that there is a different level of assessment at different times and different locations on the field. I think The referee should have given the Maguire incident a Penalty esp with video review to back it up. But I understand why he didn’t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 My issue is the other 300 shirt tugging events that likely occurred in the game that didn’t get the privilege of being micro analyzed. Eat the VAR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Exiled in Texas said: Understand your thinking Lion. Don’t disagree with your thoughts on the two incidents. But the Referee isn’t going to lock himself in to decisions that early. You say the players will change behavior but they won’t. So he is either inconsistent or awards a half dozen penalties and is thought to have “lost control” of the game. That’s why referees give the benefit on yellow cards in first 10 minutes. You’d like to have the utopia of “a foul in the 1st minute is the same as a foul in the 70th”. Or a foul in the center circle is a foul in the box, but we know that there is a different level of assessment at different times and different locations on the field. I think The referee should have given the Maguire incident a Penalty esp with video review to back it up. But I understand why he didn’t Fair points and while it may be a bit "utopian" to have consistency in refereeing across the entire 90 minutes and regardless of foul location, that's something that could be addressed before games even start. "Do this, this is the consequences, whether it's minute 1 or minute 90", then nobody can have any complaints. You never know, players might even listen. VAR is a whole other mess though. How did they fail to give the Maguire foul? Seems to me that the usage of VAR for a tiny infraction in the 99th minute of a lost game, is a complete waste of everyone's time and not what it should be used for. Why analyze that foul? You can't tell me there weren't 50 others exactly the same or similar throughout the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Penalty given To Argentina following a VAR check for exactly the same thing that happened to Maguire, maybe even less clear cut. Edited November 22, 2022 by LV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, LV said: Penalty given To Argentina following a VAR check for exactly the same thing that happened to Maguire, maybe even less clear cut. The lack of consistensy here is absolutely infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 VAR has taken more out of the sport than it has given Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 How was that off?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Just get shot of VAR. it’s fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I used to think at least it was getting decisions right in the end but no longer think that it is still causing nonsense same as before and just detracting from the game. It needs to be ditched I think, or some way cut back, it should only be interrupting the game for absolutely glaringly wrong decisions, not interrupting for stuff so minor there is no way on earth it is visible to the naked eye. Anything where the VAR ref isn't sure immediately should jsut be left to what in cricket is umpires call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 The new VAR technology seems decent enough. Whether ruling a player offside because their shoulder is marginally beyond last man is in the spirit of the game is another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tiresias said: it should only be interrupting the game for absolutely glaringly wrong decisions, not interrupting for stuff so minor there is no way on earth it is visible to the naked eye. Think this is the key. It's been said before by others on here, but it feels like VAR looks for an excuse to rule a goal out, rather than the other way around, which just feels wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Yes, I think in any corner scramble if you watch in slow-mo all the players, someone is going to be fouling someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Referees by their very nature are generally fun vacuums as people so letting them decide every minute infringement with the benefit of technology is never going to end well. Computer says no Edited November 22, 2022 by LV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Great example of VAR being used correctly in the Denmark Tunisia game , although you could question why he was even asked to look at it. But he went to VAR and stuck with his original decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 first time a ref has stuck with his own decision not to award a pel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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