khay Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He really does remind me of carrick Reminds me more of Matic Was thinking the same yesterday. First time I’ve had a good look of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I just think if you gave our players as many chances as they do in Spain, we'd be seeing a lot more English players make that step up. I'm not saying it's not a big step up, but you don't know if a player will make it if they never get that chance. You can imagine they will or won't. It's not like loads of people have been clamouring from Longstaff to be a regular starter over the last 3 years, yet here we are. Yeah I agree we don't give them as many chances, but I don't personally think there is a production line of talent waiting below the first team at PL clubs trying to get through. The loan system is fine and should be used all the time, these players wont learn a thing playing against their own age ranges. They need to be playing comp football against pros and grown men. It's completely ludcirous that Woodman is still here and not out on loan. Very detrimental The problem is the levels they end up loaned to. Longstaff doing from Blackpool to keeping Man City quiet is mental. Makes you wonder if it's worth giving more incentives to Champ clubs to start taking them. Not sure what form that would take though. Maybe a clause in the loan deal that gives them first refusal on the player if they go up? Maybe a set fee to make the deal permanent at the end of the season that reduces the more games they play? At the moment it just doesn't seem worth it for Championship teams. Why should Championship clubs take them when there are absolutely stacks of players in the Championship worthy of PL football that bigger clubs won't take a chance on? It's the same issue really, PL clubs prefer to shop abroad when the Championship is absolutely full of good young British players and usually the only way they ever get a go in the top flight is when their club gets promoted. The gap between the top flight and the Championship is much smaller than it was a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 It also makes you wonder why the fuck we persist with Joselu when we could be bringing another youngster through. We know Joselu won't score, won't assist, will barely contribute and will absolutely not trouble the opposition, regardless of who it is. It couldn't be a more perfect situation to bring someone through from the youth ranks. There is literally nothing to lose. It also begs the question - what can be done to make the reserves leagues more competitive so it's less of a perceived risk to bring a reserve player into the first team? Some sort of U21s Champions League might be a good start - a chance to see how the reserve players fair against quality opposition. Obviously it would take some serious organising but it's be better to watch the domestic reserve football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 It also makes you wonder why the fuck we persist with Joselu when we could be bringing another youngster through. We know Joselu won't score, won't assist, will barely contribute and will absolutely not trouble the opposition, regardless of who it is. It couldn't be a more perfect situation to bring someone through from the youth ranks. There is literally nothing to lose. It also begs the question - what can be done to make the reserves leagues more competitive so it's less of a perceived risk to bring a reserve player into the first team? Some sort of U21s Champions League might be a good start - a chance to see how the reserve players fair against quality opposition. Obviously it would take some serious organising but it's be better to watch the domestic reserve football. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Youth_League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 The problem for the Premiership is that the huge amounts of money involved in either staying up or trying to reach the Champions League mean that clubs are reluctant to risk young players. The huge amounts of money involved also make it too easy to buy ready made, experienced players from abroad. On Longstaff, two or three times a game, the opposition will try to close him down and he just drifts past them with the ball into open space. That's quite a rare quality in a midfield anchorman - or at least an English one. Looking at who we've got, Dier looks like a defender who's a bit out of his comfort zone, and Henderson, good player that he is, doesn't have that particular ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 It also makes you wonder why the fuck we persist with Joselu when we could be bringing another youngster through. We know Joselu won't score, won't assist, will barely contribute and will absolutely not trouble the opposition, regardless of who it is. It couldn't be a more perfect situation to bring someone through from the youth ranks. There is literally nothing to lose. It also begs the question - what can be done to make the reserves leagues more competitive so it's less of a perceived risk to bring a reserve player into the first team? Some sort of U21s Champions League might be a good start - a chance to see how the reserve players fair against quality opposition. Obviously it would take some serious organising but it's be better to watch the domestic reserve football. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Youth_League See, fucking mint idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 It also makes you wonder why the fuck we persist with Joselu when we could be bringing another youngster through. We know Joselu won't score, won't assist, will barely contribute and will absolutely not trouble the opposition, regardless of who it is. It couldn't be a more perfect situation to bring someone through from the youth ranks. There is literally nothing to lose. It also begs the question - what can be done to make the reserves leagues more competitive so it's less of a perceived risk to bring a reserve player into the first team? Some sort of U21s Champions League might be a good start - a chance to see how the reserve players fair against quality opposition. Obviously it would take some serious organising but it's be better to watch the domestic reserve football. Because he has scored, he has contributed. I know he's a bad player, but what are the alternatives. Throw Sorensen in? He might do well but I'd be very surprised, he most likely wouldn't get a kick. He needs to go to a football league club and learn how to play in that environment. Plenty of players have come through from reserve football straight into the premier league and succeeded. The striking position here at the moment is a very difficult one to play admittedly, but I don't see the harm in giving someone like Sorensen minutes ahead of Joselu. What's the point in having these backup players if we don't allow them the opportunity to sink or swim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 we’re not a team with the luxury of seeing how a few young ins will do when thrown in Said every team in the PL. The only time it's suitable to throw in an unknown prospect unless there's injuries would be for a team towards the end of the season that is safe from relegation and has too big a gap between the team above and below it for it not to matter whether they win or lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Problem for the previous lads is they usually all get one or two cups games where 5 or 6 of them are thrown in. Should be using 1 or 2 with the senior players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 If he was called Longstaffio and we'd signed him on loan from Napoli last month, we'd all be desperate to sign him permanently. He's been outstanding. This guy would benefit hugely from another couple of years under Rafa's tutelage to fully blossom. He'd probably be shite under a PFM but under Rafa it's like his role has been completely drilled into him and he's sticking to it. Love how calm on the ball he is. He nevers looks flusterered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 His nickname should be The Real Deal Longstaff. Because he is one. Top banana this lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I just think if you gave our players as many chances as they do in Spain, we'd be seeing a lot more English players make that step up. I'm not saying it's not a big step up, but you don't know if a player will make it if they never get that chance. You can imagine they will or won't. It's not like loads of people have been clamouring from Longstaff to be a regular starter over the last 3 years, yet here we are. Yeah I agree we don't give them as many chances, but I don't personally think there is a production line of talent waiting below the first team at PL clubs trying to get through. The loan system is fine and should be used all the time, these players wont learn a thing playing against their own age ranges. They need to be playing comp football against pros and grown men. It's completely ludcirous that Woodman is still here and not out on loan. Very detrimental The problem is the levels they end up loaned to. Longstaff doing from Blackpool to keeping Man City quiet is mental. Makes you wonder if it's worth giving more incentives to Champ clubs to start taking them. Not sure what form that would take though. Maybe a clause in the loan deal that gives them first refusal on the player if they go up? Maybe a set fee to make the deal permanent at the end of the season that reduces the more games they play? At the moment it just doesn't seem worth it for Championship teams. Why should Championship clubs take them when there are absolutely stacks of players in the Championship worthy of PL football that bigger clubs won't take a chance on? It's the same issue really, PL clubs prefer to shop abroad when the Championship is absolutely full of good young British players and usually the only way they ever get a go in the top flight is when their club gets promoted. The gap between the top flight and the Championship is much smaller than it was a few years ago. The prospect of getting in on the ground floor on a young, English player with proper potential. I think most Champ teams would have snapped your hand off if you'd offered them a Ryan Sassegnon or Will Hughes type player with the option of buying them at a cut price if they do well or shipping them back if not. I think the harder sell would be convincing Prem teams to agree to part with them if they do well. It's a daft idea though. We'll just have to make do with loaning the poor buggers to Motherwell and Carlisle and hoping they actually get on the pitch once or twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I said after his first start that he reminds me of Carrick - fantastic prospect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I said after his first start that he reminds me of Carrick - fantastic prospect! Aye, while not going overboard he has better long passes off either foot, so much potential there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 lot of players have talent, not everyone rises to the occasion when out there in the PL - and can do it over a run of games. He's proven it imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 His development reminds me of Kane. Nobody expected them to make it in the Premier League, but decent coaching and taking their chances because of injury or poor form from other players has meant they have taken their opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'd hope we use this to at least have some belief in trying them more often. I really like the look of Barlaser too from when he's played before and he looked good in the FA Cup the other week. Would like to see him get games at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Sad that it took an injury crisis for him to get a chance. You just don't know how someone is going to perform until you stick them in a PL game, especially not flashy, all rounder centre mids like Longstaff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankpingel Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'd hope we use this to at least have some belief in trying them more often. I really like the look of Barlaser too from when he's played before and he looked good in the FA Cup the other week. Would like to see him get games at some point. Hopefully see Barlaser on Sky Friday vs sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He'll always have a career in the adult film industry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Reluctant to get a shirt with his name on the back because of the inescapable double entendre wind ups I'd expect to receive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Love how two footed the lad is, rare for a young player to be so comfortable with both feet has that Carrick type composure to go with it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He's been great like, really impressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 His development reminds me of Kane. Nobody expected them to make it in the Premier League, but decent coaching and taking their chances because of injury or poor form from other players has meant they have taken their opportunity. Kane the wrestler, aye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Can we have this as a smug smiley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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