Fabian Schär

[Superior Acuña]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But 'moving a head' is not violent conduct, is it?

Not really but I would always expect that to be a red. Rarely is a football ‘headbutt’ ever really a headbutt (can’t think of ever seeing a headbutt being someone actually nutting someone  - it’s exactly what happened there (never known why footballers do that). Can talk about it as broader issue but Schar knows the reality he’s playing in. 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2024 by Superior Acuña

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But 'moving a head' is not violent conduct, is it?

Feel like this often happens at the start of the season where there are mad decisions that end up never happening again after a few weeks. Anyone saying that's a red card just hasn't watched football for a while, it's the sort of thing that's so often ignored, the players getting given a telling to, or results in a yellow for Diaz. 

[Shadow Puppets]

3 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Not really but I would always expect that to be a red. Rarely is a football ‘headbutt’ ever really a headbutt (can’t think of ever seeing a headbutt being someone actually nutting someone  - it’s exactly what happened there (never known why footballers do that). Can talk about it as broader issue but Schar knows the reality he’s playing in. 

 

 

 

But by your reckoning they should both be sent off surely? They both move their heads together.

[Superior Acuña]

2 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

But by your reckoning they should both be sent off surely? They both move their heads together.

Yes, I said that.

 

i mean I don’t think it’s really violent conduct, but followng how i know the rule is usually applied, yes they should both go off. (Plus an extra yellow for the initial push for him…)

[Boey_Jarton]

As soon as both players decide to put their heads forward, which they stupidly did, either player has the ability to get the other one sent off by theatrically throwing themselves to the ground. 

 

In fact, and at the risk of defending Brereton, theatrically throwing yourself to the ground is the best defence against being sent off once you have got yourself into that situation.

 

 

 

[Ginola]

Wasn't a red, but it's stupid as fuck to do that and even put it as a thought in the refs mind

[Wilson]

Silly sausage... We'll move on. 

[DahnSahf]

What I can't understand is why, having received a red, Schär didn't make it worthwhile by kicking the shit out of him. 🙂

[jack j]

Just watched it again and Diaz moves his head towards schar at pretty much the same time

Hope they retrospectively ban that cunt

[midds]

Diaz did him, he set it all up and Schar walked straight into the trap. It's understandable and I'd probably have reacted the same myself but he's been playing this game a long time and needs to react better. Diaz is a piece of shit but he executed that perfectly from his pov. Push in the back to annoy him, straight in his face and waits for the reaction, Schar bites and he drops like a sack of shit. Bet he's practised that scenario a hundred times. Unfortunately Schar bit and we lose him for another 3 games plus the hour today. Diaz will do it again as he's got little else to offer his team technically 

[Lhfm]

Or doing a Zidane Zadane on him. He probably wouldn't have been laughing like he did after Schar got the red card.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Schar didn't really fall into any trap though. He did almost nothing and got cheated by a cheat. 

[Nobody]

47 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Not really but I would always expect that to be a red. Rarely is a football ‘headbutt’ ever really a headbutt (can’t think of ever seeing a headbutt being someone actually nutting someone  - it’s exactly what happened there (never known why footballers do that). Can talk about it as broader issue but Schar knows the reality he’s playing in. 

 

 

 

Ever heard of Zinedine Zidane? 

[midds]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Schar didn't really fall into any trap though. He did almost nothing and got cheated by a cheat. 

He reacted to the shove. It's not a biggy and it's totally understandable but fronting up gave Diaz the chance to act up and get him a red. Massive self-control needed but staying down a few more seconds or walking away prevents the red. Not slating the bloke but his immediate reaction to the shove (and diaz's oscar performance) got him sent off

[nemtizz]

If Schar goes down like Diaz does he escapes with a yellow. 

[Displayname]

1 minute ago, nemtizz said:

If Schar goes down like Diaz does he escapes with a yellow. 

Looking at that its ridicolous that only Schär got the red. 

 

Either none, only Diaz or both should have gotten the red.

 

Schär definitely tilts his head aswell, so not blameless.

[Displayname]

1 hour ago, Shak said:

Anyone who thinks Schar is in the wrong is an absolute fanny tbh.

 

Guy fucking cheap shots Schar from behind and people act like he's supposed to just smile and carry on.

 

It's a physical, emotional sport. You should be entitled to stand up for yourself to some extent and in no way, shape or form was what Schar did in any way dangerous for Diaz.

 

Incredible that they've got things wrong to the point that they have video replay on place and THAT can be reviewed and held up as a red.

You think Eddie is an absolute fanny?

[Bimpy474]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But 'moving a head' is not violent conduct, is it?

 

It is if it's done in an aggressive manner. I would say both of them were doing it and one then play acting to get the other sent off, which is why it should have been yellows for both now i've seen multiple replays. There's no real violent actions or much aggression, no real pushing of the heads from either of them.

[Shak]

6 minutes ago, Displayname said:

You think Eddie is an absolute fanny?

 

Eddie is always diplomatic in the media.

 

I'd be amazed if once he's seen that he holds it against Fab.

 

Do we get annoyed with a defender for giving the referee a decision to make when he's standing near an attacker who dives to win a penalty?

 

He was cheated by a scumbag player, a shite referee and a video replay system that isn't fit for purpose.

[dave s]

just walked towards him. head first unfortunately 😭 fab should have burst out laughing pointing at him rolling on the ground .. 

[Displayname]

5 minutes ago, Shak said:

 

Eddie is always diplomatic in the media.

 

I'd be amazed if once he's seen that he holds it against Fab.

 

Do we get annoyed with a defender for giving the referee a decision to make when he's standing near an attacker who dives to win a penalty?

 

He was cheated by a scumbag player, a shite referee and a video replay system that isn't fit for purpose.

Eddie is not going out saying players shouldnt go in like that if he didnt mean it. Its not diplomatic "blaming" your own player if you dont mean it, its weak.

 

Ofcourse he is not going to hold it against him, im not going to either. But provoked or not, it was a stupid involvement that he will have to learn from.

[Conjo]

No matter how unfair the red card was, Schar should know better than to get duped into that situation. Diaz played him like a fiddle.

[madras]

I think we're getting caught between what we now accept and what is a red card. What was more violent,  the shove from Brereton Diaz, after the ball was already dead or Schar pushing his head into the others, don't call it a headbutt, it wasn't ? But now "thats a red" why ? Under which rule, if that was the level of violent conduct necessary for a red then 4 or 5 should have been sent off in the resulting melee.

[GideonShandy]

The more I watch the incident, the more it looks like a prearranged plan.  "Clatter Schar, get in his face, see if you can get him to react and, when he does, milk it for all you can."

 

Pawson had already blown for a foul near the halfway line and everyone including Diaz knew it. Schar was basically just retrieving the ball. Diaz barges into him, hard, when he's not expecting or braced for contact. On the close-up you can see that when Schar is on the ground, Diaz leans over him and evidently says something. (If he'd spat on him I'm sure we would have heard about it.) When Schar understandably moves towards Diaz to respond, Diaz stands his ground when the natural reaction would be to take a step back, and then leans in so that Schar's forehead makes contact.  And down he goes. Reckon he'd probably rehearsed the whole performance.

[Coffee_Johnny]

12 hours ago, gbandit said:

I don’t have an issue with it being red either. Any head movement close just gives the ref no option but Diaz’s reaction is so pathetic that I hope someone snaps him soon 

Just seen one  angle where the hairy faced, groomed-yeti, fella actually had the  bare (hair?) faced cheek to pivot/move his head the final couple of inches into the handsome fella’s forehead.
If anyone looked closely at that we’d have a chance of it being over turned. Basically Yeti not only feigned being hurt, he actually made the head contact happen.