jdckelly Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I'm sorry you give referees no chance when a player handles a ball in an unnatural position in the box and still think it shouldn't be a pen. yes but the idiots on var should be able to see its in no way intentional which last time I checked was still in the laws of the game 'deliberate' is a horrendous grey area that most refs (I think from being told to) interpret as hand being in an unattural position, which sissokos was. Glad they're removing that word as refs cant read minds. the problem with that is you'll just have strikers firing the ball in the vague direction of defenders arms hoping to get a pen and on the basis of vars implementation in the champions league they'll bloody get them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 It wasn’t an unnatural position, he was pointing. That’s normal. Give over man a natural position is your arms by your side (it's what every ref will look at when the ball hit's the arm in the penalty box), if you raise your arms in any way it's an unnatural position. Referee saw that and give the penalty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 if you're pointing like sissoko was and the striker does that, i have absolutely no problem with giving a pen that. there's no way that would be a high percentage play and defenders shouldn't be waving their arms around in teh box when expecting a cross or shot in. I udnerstand while jumping and that is where most the problems come but sissoko wasn't jumping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I did say you will get players deliberately kicking it at players arms in the box, but it didn't even hit his arm (first) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Judging natural position is just as hard as judging intention. There was nothing unnatural about what he did there. The assumption should be it’s not deliberate unless it’s clearly meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Never a pen. Well 4 referees disagree with this. One ref, VAR will never overturn a subjective (but wrong) decision like that. There are 4 refs in the var box with one main official, the others can challenge. The whole decision wasn't even reviewed. Yes? Point was that VAR won't change a subjective decision like that when the ref clearly thought it was a foul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Loving Big Al doing the commentary on DAZN. 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Is his arm in an unnatural position though, he was pointing to where he wanted one of his players to cover. He got unlucky it hit him just as he was pointing, harsh but probably right. Shouldn't have been pointing though, the natural position of your arms is by your side not pointing in the air Of course you can point, every player does it all the time there's no law saying you can't And he was pointing in the air Tht's why the referee give it, natural position my arse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Why does it matter where it hits first, if anything gave him mroe time to get his arm out the way??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Never a pen. Well 4 referees disagree with this. One ref, VAR will never overturn a subjective (but wrong) decision like that. There are 4 refs in the var box with one main official, the others can challenge. The whole decision wasn't even reviewed. Yes? Point was that VAR won't change a subjective decision like that when the ref clearly thought it was a foul. then whats the point of them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Terrible game so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 When the ref has missed something. Ref saw that and made a call and I was annoyed they even bothered to refer it tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Comical by tripper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I'm glad this is free, or I'd be raging at how bad the quality is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Is his arm in an unnatural position though, he was pointing to where he wanted one of his players to cover. He got unlucky it hit him just as he was pointing, harsh but probably right. Shouldn't have been pointing though, the natural position of your arms is by your side not pointing in the air Of course you can point, every player does it all the time there's no law saying you can't And he was pointing in the air Tht's why the referee give it, natural position my arse I edited sorry, he wasn't pointing in the air, he was pointing to cover the run, something every defender does and strikers do when they want a ball into a certain area. He got unlucky, unnatural position my arse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Embarrassing from Trippier, should be ashamed of himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Never a pen. Well 4 referees disagree with this. One ref, VAR will never overturn a subjective (but wrong) decision like that. There are 4 refs in the var box with one main official, the others can challenge. The whole decision wasn't even reviewed. Yes? Point was that VAR won't change a subjective decision like that when the ref clearly thought it was a foul. then whats the point of them? To correct clear errors but they won't tell the ref that 'hey, seems like you don't completely understand the handball foul, here's a leaflet'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Comical by tripper. Flopped to cover his poor positioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Why does it matter where it hits first, if anything gave him mroe time to get his arm out the way??? Cos it's indirect then, i mean, you can get very rare exceptions like Henry v Ireland but generally if it hits a legal area THEN arm, there's no way you actually meant to handball it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Early goal's done nowt for the game like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Well it wasn't a clear an obvious error so got no idea why your being an arse about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Is his arm in an unnatural position though, he was pointing to where he wanted one of his players to cover. He got unlucky it hit him just as he was pointing, harsh but probably right. Shouldn't have been pointing though, the natural position of your arms is by your side not pointing in the air Of course you can point, every player does it all the time there's no law saying you can't And he was pointing in the air Tht's why the referee give it, natural position my arse I edited sorry, he wasn't pointing in the air, he was pointing to cover the run, something every defender does and strikers do when they want a ball into a certain area. He got unlucky, unnatural position my arse What do you think unnatural position means? By your definition catching the ball with your hands isn't unnatural because he is doing it deliberately and meant to do it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Is his arm in an unnatural position though, he was pointing to where he wanted one of his players to cover. He got unlucky it hit him just as he was pointing, harsh but probably right. Shouldn't have been pointing though, the natural position of your arms is by your side not pointing in the air Of course you can point, every player does it all the time there's no law saying you can't And he was pointing in the air Tht's why the referee give it, natural position my arse I edited sorry, he wasn't pointing in the air, he was pointing to cover the run, something every defender does and strikers do when they want a ball into a certain area. He got unlucky, unnatural position my arse Not by doing a John Travolta Saturday Night Fever impression though ;D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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