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Happinesstan

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Personally think this whole “Keegan wasn’t very good tactically” stuff is over used . Just looks the way Albert would bring the ball out in to midfield at a time when it wasn’t really done same with full backs getting forward. Or in his second managerial stint with the 4-3-3, at a time when 4-4-2 was common. Full backs creating width, Michael Owen playing in a kind of false 9 position. I mean clearly there are better, younger, more progressive managers around but he’s another level to Bruce. Still the best English manager imo.

 

In his early management days, he wasn't. But he had Fazackerley.

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TRon

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My issue with George Caulkin coming up with the story now is that it isn't a done deal (as far as we are all aware). I'd love to think that history will tell us that at the time of writing, it was all sorted but until that happens, putting the Takeover story back out into the public domain is poor form from a NUFC fan because it's making fans believe that change is finally coming.

I remain skeptical that it is.

I'd rather he kept his mouth shut until he was able to confirm that it was signed, sealed and delivered.

But at the end of the day, he’s not a fans spokesperson, he’s a journalist who gets paid to write (hopefully factual) stories and relay them. If he believes in what he’s written, then he’s doing himself and his employers a disservice by keeping quiet.

Of course, that's absolutely fair.

I guess I'm just baffled as to why the story has come out now when earlier in the year, he didn't want to touch it with a barge pole.

 

Because he believes it's true clearly. I haven't always agreed with the general consensus about George on here, but I do think he's a man of integrity.

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TRon

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He was way ahead of his time tactically :thup:

 

Don’t make me explain

 

tl;dr

 

Keegan was Klopp when Klopp himself was in short pants basically. Is that near enough the mark? 

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Stifler

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If this goes ahead then I don’t think the club should really look back.

Ok, so maybe Rafa might comeback, but I don’t think we should pursue it unless it was already the plan for the new owners.

 

The new owners I presume will want a new manager. We don’t know though if they will do that straight away, during the off season, or when Bruce hits a poor run of form.

 

If they bring someone new in straight away then the media will be on their back because ‘of the job Bruce has done’, at least in our current league standings. Any manager coming in from them on will have the media waiting for him to slip up. Some elements of our support who believe the ‘Bruce is a Geordie’ guff will also be waiting for them to fail as well.

 

I honestly think they would wait until the season has finished before making a change. I certainly can’t see them handing Bruce new players, be that Mbappe ? or just fairly standard Premier League players.

 

The only way I can see the new manager being Rafa is if there is already some sort of verbal agreement. I think bringing Rafa back would be different because Rafa only left less than a year ago. He’s still very got some influence in the dressing room/tactics and connection with the place.

 

Keegan on the other hand has been out of the game a long time. If I’m honest here, his style has passed football by. He came close to winning something 20 years ago with an all out attacking approach. 20/25 years on you can’t get away with it. In fact it was very much the reason why Arsenal have fell so far down the pecking order. Successful teams now demand much more structure, much more strength, and composure. Keegan’s tactics honestly wouldn’t get you much past the halfway mark in the Premier League these days. A group who are spending £300m+ is going to have a 5,10, and 15 year plan for competing and winning things. Mid table and pushing for Europe will be more towards the initial stages of the plan, not mid-long term.

All of this is even assuming Keegan would jump back in.

 

As for behind the scenes roles. You are forgetting that Staveley is ultimately wanting control of the club as it’s CEO, chairwoman, or whatever name you give her. The Rueban guy is going to be a director at least. PIF are going to have at least 1 person high up in the club. There isn’t really going to be a role for Keegan or Shearer at the club, aside from an ambassador role which gives them no power or influence. If they want to give Keegan or Shearer that then great, however anyone who’s thinking it will be anything more than them making ‘feel good in the community’ roles is deluded. Not that the club shouldn’t do that, I strongly believe they should. However that role isn’t going to impact on what happens on the pitch, training ground, academy, or boardroom.

 

In my honest opinion, the club needs to look forward and not back. It needs to create a new chapter in it’s era, not go over the Keegan or SBR years. We need new targets, we need new ambition, we need a new direction. I can understand if Rafa is a part of that because from the initial stages he would have been an integral part of their plans. As for that, I think we should respect the past, but leave it where it is.

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Happinesstan

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He said he hasn’t wanted to write anything till there something substantial. Has that position changed? Up to a point. It’s got to point it’s went on for so long now it feels strange not writing about it. He doesn’t want to get people over excited for no reason but felt after story that PL had been notified about the groups interest it’s got to point it looks like he’s dismissing it as something that shouldn’t be considered so he wrote article. Says it’s categorically not bishop spin for Ashley

 

"The premier league have been notified about the group's interest" means fuck all, TBH. It certainly doesn't imply that any deal has been concluded.

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Wolfcastle

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Did someone actually claim that Steve Bruce is a more progressive manager than Kevin Keegan??

 

:spit:

 

He's progressed through many more clubs

 

On the topic, its worth baring in mind these headlines from not even a year ago

Managing Director of Bin Zayed Group releases statement having 'agreed terms' to buy Newcastle United

Mike Ashley agrees to sell Newcastle United - Report

Newcastle owner Mike Ashley agrees to SELL Toon to Arab Sheikh for £350million

Sheikh Khaled bin Zayed Al Nehayan representative says deal to buy Newcastle is concluded - Report

 

Its really no different now.

 

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You'd think the saudi's would be able to produce the cash.....  Unless they are struggling with the economic crisis.

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Kanj

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Not a single person will give a shit if the new owners came out and said "we thank Steve Bruce for what he has done to date as head coach of this club, but our goal is [qualify for europe and be consistent in the top 5-7 of this league] and for those reasons, we have decided to bring in someone who fits that vision for us etc.

 

it has always and will forever be about communication and expectations. Outline all of that and you will stake your claim.

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I personally reckon it’s him speeding this up now. Offer was on the table at £340m once safety was confirmed. That can’t happen now and the value of everything has plummeted. He’s gone back to them and either dropped the price or a couple of those clauses holding shit up and that’s why it’s now been submitted from both sides to the fa.

 

He’ll be desperate to sell. He’s lost a fuck loads of money and looks to lose more as this goes on. Retail was already on its arse and this could be the end of things as we know it. The uncertainty is huge and his company has never been as low value as it has now. Sure I seen on here his share is worth 600m...this club in its shit state worth half of that. He gets the sale of us and he either keeps it for personal wealth or puts it back in to SD and buys out 25% and takes it private again. Either way, aye...he’s done with us, this can’t move quick enough for him now.

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I personally reckon it’s him speeding this up now. Offer was on the table at £340m once safety was confirmed. That can’t happen now and the value of everything has plummeted. He’s gone back to them and either dropped the price or a couple of those clauses holding shit up and that’s why it’s now been submitted from both sides to the fa.

 

He’ll be desperate to sell. He’s lost a fuck loads of money and looks to lose more as this goes on. Retail was already on its arse and this could be the end of things as we know it. The uncertainty is huge and his company has never been as low value as it has now. Sure I seen on here his share is worth 600m...this club in its shit state worth half of that. He gets the sale of us and he either keeps it for personal wealth or puts it back in to SD and buys out 25% and takes it private again. Either way, aye...he’s done with us, this can’t move quick enough for him now.

 

this x 1,000,000

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D. Yimentov

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3. The NEW information over the past few days is that the PL has been notified a deal is near between PIF and Mike Ashley. This was allegedly submitted LAST week. So between that time and today, we very much could have a signed agreement of sale, a deposit, and the test could very much have started. It has been said many times that once that test begins, it becomes a black box until the outcome. In a situation where "no comment" is the norm for MA and NUFC, there is no promise we will hear anything else until its done or failed.

 

Is this confirmed though? George didn't confirm it in his article.

 

Also, what does the proper person test involve?

 

"Have you been crucifying atheists?"

 

"Have I been crucifying (voice peters out).................What?"

 

podcast provided such context that was submitted by both sides.

 

If George Caulkin has stated that the papers have been sent then I'm optimistic.

 

 

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