Abra Dubravka Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Old Bacon Face of Trafford used to do the throw all of your centre forwards on thing. The contemptible Glaswegian git was also never much of a tactical type. Much the same could be said of Sir Bob and Keegan. They were just brilliant motivators and man managers who played players in their strongest positions. I’m not trying to defend the cabbage but it might explain where the master’s apprentice gets some of his ideas. Been thinking that for a while. SAF obviously had head coaches do the bulk of the training, would change them around every few years (McLaren, Quireoz, Muelensteen) and that's obviously Brucey Bumfuck's copy cat approach as well. Totally makes sense he'd take a lot from Ferguson's approach to managing in his own approach to management. Worked well enough in first half of his managerial career, but second half, last 10 years he's become more and more redundant as a PL level manager as seasons go by. He was all but done at PL, but we throw him a bone. He'd have no doubt been sacked/walked from Sheff Wed by now without promoting them, and no other PL side we're going to be giving him a job after failing at Villa. His interview on BBC sport is frightening. Finally, he says he didn't bother changing anything for 18months as the players liked playing 'Rafa's way', sitting deep, and it was going well enough. Now he's decided to do things 'his way', which means essentially bringing in Jones to do the coaching directional change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wait what the fuck, Jones was in the stands?! Presume it would be to get a better view. Only acceptable reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wait what the fuck, Jones was in the stands?! He started there but came down when we conceded. Then largely sat at the back of the dugout but he was on the sidelines sometimes. A definite difference from the Everton game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 He’d have absolutely hated the reaction to Jones after Saturday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 He’d have absolutely hated the reaction to Jones after Saturday Yeah, I cannot believe how thin-skinned he is. Proper sensitive. Presumably due to his ridiculously low ability and him knowing he's been winging it for all these years but without it ever being magnified quite this much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 His putting all the strikers on and the team having absolutely no balance tactic always gives me a good chortle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Has it ever actually worked? (The moronic striker thing he continues to do?) I’m not a football manager but surely the move is being on Matty or Anderson for Hendrick. Bring on Saint Maxi for Fraser. Bring on Joelinton for Almiron or something and keep or adjust the players to stay in the diamond? If diamond is not the formation then keep a semblance of a midfield with fullbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I heard Steve Bruce smells of sprouts, wee and failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Hoping to see more calls for this cunt to be sacked in the press Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Has it ever actually worked? (The moronic striker thing he continues to do?) I’m not a football manager but surely the move is being on Matty or Anderson for Hendrick. Bring on Saint Maxi for Fraser. Bring on Joelinton for Almiron or something and keep or adjust the players to stay in the diamond? If diamond is not the formation then keep a semblance of a midfield with fullbacks. Saw it almost work for Bobby in the 4-4 vs Troyes in the Intertoto McLaren used to do it with Boro in their Uefa cup run and almost made it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Sickening. We always seem adamant on clinging on to the shittest of the shit managers as long as possible. Bunch of backwards bastards running our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 He's still coming out with this shite FFS - he's been here 18 months! "I said about a month ago after Sheffield United, we are going to try to change. "The players had been comfortable for a long time. We are trying to change. It's what I want to do and I think the players are enjoying it" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Hoping to see more calls for this cunt to be sacked in the press More? Has there been any so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Hoping to see more calls for this c*** to be sacked in the press More? Has there been any so far? None, that doped up Everton team has given Bruce another month at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Hoping to see more calls for this c*** to be sacked in the press More? Has there been any so far? None, that doped up Everton team has given Bruce another month at least. Yup motd just basically said we played better goodnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Something that resonated after hearing the Caulkin podcast was that he said the consortium felt that NUFC was the last ‘sleeping giant’ in the PL. he followed up by saying this club isn’t sleeping, it’s pretty much dead. Nowhere is that more apparent that in the steadfast, obstinate, refusal to peddle this useless cunt. In my years as a football supporter - some 30-odd - I’ve never known a ‘manager’ as inept, and an ‘ownership’ so willing to hedge their bets on the very slimmest of hopes that enough has been done already to stay up. What’s worse is the patronising rhetoric trotted out week after week, irrespective of the result, by the fat mess in the dugout. Football-blindness at its best, shown up constantly by the sporting media who seem never to call it for what it is. And what those twats don’t realise is that their scrutiny is doubly important at a time at which fans can’t attend and say it as they see it. Fuck this club and fuck Steve Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Even just to watch him on the sideline with his hands in his pockets.. his press conferences / zoom interviews he looks totally fed up or bored If hes a so called fan he should walk away, he doesnt need the money and give someone else a chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoForJoy Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I still can't believe the NE journo's haven't challenged him on this, the quotes are only 5 and a bit months apart. 10 Jul 2020 — Bruce says he is not a manager of the year candidate but says idea that club is happy only to survive in top flight is a myth. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/07/10/steve-bruce-judge-results-newcastle-improving-not-stagnating/ 26 Dec 2020 — Bruce is aware of the unhappiness of some Newcastle fans, but insists the remit at the club is simply to survive in the Premier League and the supporters must accept it. “The fans are like we are”, Bruce was quoted as saying by the BBC. “They have to accept where we are. “My remit is to keep us in the Premier League." https://insidefutbol.com/2020/12/26/fans-must-accept-where-we-are-remit-is-survival-newcastle-boss-steve-bruce/487438/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Bruce has shown himself to have not only never been tactically adept but no man manager. He never learned anything from SAF. SAF learned to adapt to the foreign invasion (of both players and mangers) and used his management skills to get his teams to buy into his tactical tweaks. Before you can get the players to buy in you have to be able to counter others tactics by adapting your own. Any sport that is tactic reliant is always evolving as good managers or coaches are adjusting to and countering what the other does. It's one thing to suddenly press higher and force quick turnovers but what do you when your opponent parks the bus? A good manager will always have a plan B (or C) in his pocket. He will have drilled his team in how to go about and implement the change tactically. His players will be comfortable with the tactical shift because they've prepared for it and its been discussed with them. So imagine you start with a structured 433, you press higher up the pitch with lethal intent. Your opponent sees this and sits back more and makes his team harder to break down. The good manager implements plan B. Your CF is instructed to roam more and drag around a defender or two. Your wide forwards and perhaps a CM are instructed to move into the open space. Or maybe your opponent has been pillaging down the right hand side with a wide man and an overlapping fullback. Make the decision before the game to take that immobile left CM off and play a younger more mobile to cover cover that flank. Also your left sided forward will know that when the FB overlaps that he has to have an eye on moving into his space for cover. Now that young LB won't be pinned back and afraid to get forward because he knows he's got cover. And the best part is that as the players see their manager make these adjustments they gain confidence in him. They know his changes will work and they won't be hung out to dry. Trust is built. Who are you more likely to run through a brick wall for: the manager who puts you in position to succeed or the manager who keeps telling you you have to run through a brick wall for them? This is how Bruce gets totally exposed as a fraud. He can never be a good man manager because eventually all the back clapping and clichés are exposed to be just words with absolutely nothing to back them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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johnny36 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 he probably is a good man manager.. willocks interview he said him and bruce hit it off over a zoom phonecall and bruce was cracking jokes with him and told willock about his plans for him But hes definitely not a good PL Manager, the stats tell you that.. He certainly isnt a tactician.. Just throwing Gayle , Carroll on last night, no clue whatsoever, just desperation If i was that bad at my job i would be peddled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Bruce has shown himself to have not only never been tactically adept but no man manager. He never learned anything from SAF. SAF learned to adapt to the foreign invasion (of both players and mangers) and used his management skills to get his teams to buy into his tactical tweaks. Before you can get the players to buy in you have to be able to counter others tactics by adapting your own. Any sport that is tactic reliant is always evolving as good managers or coaches are adjusting to and countering what the other does. It's one thing to suddenly press higher and force quick turnovers but what do you when your opponent parks the bus? A good manager will always have a plan B (or C) in his pocket. He will have drilled his team in how to go about and implement the change tactically. His players will be comfortable with the tactical shift because they've prepared for it and its been discussed with them. So imagine you start with a structured 433, you press higher up the pitch with lethal intent. Your opponent sees this and sits back more and makes his team harder to break down. The good manager implements plan B. Your CF is instructed to roam more and drag around a defender or two. Your wide forwards and perhaps a CM are instructed to move into the open space. Or maybe your opponent has been pillaging down the right hand side with a wide man and an overlapping fullback. Make the decision before the game to take that immobile left CM off and play a younger more mobile to cover cover that flank. Also your left sided forward will know that when the FB overlaps that he has to have an eye on moving into his space for cover. Now that young LB won't be pinned back and afraid to get forward because he knows he's got cover. And the best part is that as the players see their manager make these adjustments they gain confidence in him. They know his changes will work and they won't be hung out to dry. Trust is built. Who are you more likely to run through a brick wall for: the manager who puts you in position to succeed or the manager who keeps telling you you have to run through a brick wall for them? This is how Bruce gets totally exposed as a fraud. He can never be a good man manager because eventually all the back clapping and clichés are exposed to be just words with absolutely nothing to back them up. Mate, Bruce wouldn't be able to read past the first couple of lines of that without getting a headache. People talk about Ferguson getting good coaches around him, but he knew the ins and outs himself probably better than anyone. I remember seeing him talking about countering teams who played five in midfield by making changes to his own formation. It might just be a tweak, getting a forward to drop back or someone to push up from the back, but he was on top of stuff like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 If he’s the one being put in front of prospective players then there are no plans to bin him Whilst he stands between the players and Jones/decent coaching, he’s always going to ‘override’ those instructions and do it his way. Last night as a case in point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 If he’s the one being put in front of prospective players then there are no plans to bin him Whilst he stands between the players and Jones/decent coaching, he’s always going to ‘override’ those instructions and do it his way. Last night as a case in point. Ashley's not going to bin him unless we are closing in on relegation. It's takeover or bust if we want Bruce out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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