Consortium of one Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Big Joe looked better with some bodies getting forward. IMO, that back heel will be a confidence booster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Has to work so much harder for himself if anything. Don’t wish bad on the guy like so hope he manages to have a decent career from this hell we are all trapped in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 He's an Ashley signing. He wasn't signed for football reasons, so I can't really get my head around those that really want him to do well, and feel like they have to defend him against all criticism. It's defending Ashley's recruitment model in effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 He doesn’t seem like a bellend is pretty much the only reason. I love how much he’s embarrassing everyone to do with the club, Steve Bruce’s first and RECORD signing. Watched him loads he said too, the dirty little Cornish pasty sniffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 He doesn’t seem like a bellend is pretty much the only reason. I love how much he’s embarrassing everyone to do with the club, Steve Bruce’s first and RECORD signing. Watched him loads he said too, the dirty little Cornish pasty sniffer. That's it. It's obviously not fair on the lad himself but he's the symbol of everything that happened in the summer, the embodiment of all that is wrong with the club. He's done a brilliant job of showing everyone up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 He's an Ashley signing. He wasn't signed for football reasons, so I can't really get my head around those that really want him to do well, and feel like they have to defend him against all criticism. It's defending Ashley's recruitment model in effect. When I discuss the players I'm not ever thinking about MA or his stupid agendas. There's no doubt we have some talented players that have been severely hampered by the ridiculous manager that was brought in. From your point of view, we should just pretend they have no ability at all because MA bought them. Well, I think that's silly and a bit weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Being honest with ourselves he’s crap, really. And I reckon he will be used by the Ashley regime and media cronies in the future to say “big money signings don’t always guarantee success” when (i) he’s been loaned to his 3rd club in 4 years and (ii) NUFC fans express disgruntlement that we’ve been outspent by every team in the PL and 2/3 of the Championship. Rondón is a better player in every way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 He made a good chance for himself when he took his man on, drove into the area from the byline and forced a save from the keeper. Showed great strength, control, bit of pace and hunger. Having men up there supporting him and not leaving him isolated against the entire backline helped, he had more space, more opportunity to get on the ball and I think it helped his confidence a bit, looked much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I can really see why he was compared to Firmino. He drops deep to get involved and link play a lot. Looked a lot more effective with options around him too. Laid it off nicely for ASM's effort off the post. Could have had 2 assists on the night. Firmino is more of a goal threat. He might not score that many, but he does score some important goals. I think Joelinton isn't showing the natural finisher instinct so he is an easy target for the boo boys. But then Liverpool aren't relying on goals from Firmino, they have plenty of other goalscorers. Joelinton should not be burdened with being our main striker starting every game, this should have been a season of acclimitisation for him, but the other strikers have spent all season on sick pay. firmino is also 5 years older than him and has played under quality management for the last 5 years at least fwiw i don't see the comparison directly in their styles but he looks more comfortable in a deep position for sure Yeah, this is why I think it is a bit sad that he has been burdened with starting every game this season as the main striker in his first season in the Premier. You know for a fact that Rafa wouldn't have let him near the first team until he was ready. IIRC, he wouldn't even start Rondon for the first 10 games last season until he was fit and well grounded in what his role was in Rafa's system. Rafa wouldn't have signed him more to the point Not for £40m, he already said that he could spend that money better. But that doesn't mean he is a crap player, just not one ready for Premier football right off the bat. But I agree with Kaka, he looked so much more effective with players around him, with the ball being played in to feet. He was coming up with clever flicks and backheels all of a sudden, and anyone who has watched him would have seen he has got that in his locker. I'm not even sure he's a bad finisher, just maybe doesn't have the movement to get the ugly goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I can really see why he was compared to Firmino. He drops deep to get involved and link play a lot. Looked a lot more effective with options around him too. Laid it off nicely for ASM's effort off the post. Could have had 2 assists on the night. Firmino is more of a goal threat. He might not score that many, but he does score some important goals. I think Joelinton isn't showing the natural finisher instinct so he is an easy target for the boo boys. But then Liverpool aren't relying on goals from Firmino, they have plenty of other goalscorers. Joelinton should not be burdened with being our main striker starting every game, this should have been a season of acclimitisation for him, but the other strikers have spent all season on sick pay. firmino is also 5 years older than him and has played under quality management for the last 5 years at least fwiw i don't see the comparison directly in their styles but he looks more comfortable in a deep position for sure Yeah, this is why I think it is a bit sad that he has been burdened with starting every game this season as the main striker in his first season in the Premier. You know for a fact that Rafa wouldn't have let him near the first team until he was ready. IIRC, he wouldn't even start Rondon for the first 10 games last season until he was fit and well grounded in what his role was in Rafa's system. Rafa wouldn't have signed him more to the point Not for £40m, he already said that he could spend that money better. But that doesn't mean he is a crap player, just not one ready for Premier football right off the bat. But I agree with Kaka, he looked so much more effective with players around him, with the ball being played in to feet. He was coming up with clever flicks and backheels all of a sudden, and anyone who has watched him would have seen he has got that in his locker. I'm not even sure he's a bad finisher, just maybe doesn't have the movement to get the ugly goals. I've yet to see it mind and totally disagree, personally think he is a woeful player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 He's an Ashley signing. He wasn't signed for football reasons, so I can't really get my head around those that really want him to do well, and feel like they have to defend him against all criticism. It's defending Ashley's recruitment model in effect. it's not about either of those things really, it's about knackers writing off a 22 year old 8 months into a career in a new country playing in one of the worst NUFC setups any of us have ever seen he may be shite in the end, probably average at best, but i've seen enough over the years to know how much of an impact being fucked over like he has been can have on a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 But he’s shit etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Good video, but none of it is new information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 He doesn't score because he & we are shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 But he’s shit etc etc Although it's ostensibly about Joelinton, it's more a massive condemnation of our utterly shite tactics and dire football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 But he’s shit etc etc Although it's ostensibly about Joelinton, it's more a massive condemnation of our utterly shite tactics and dire football. And there is one man responsible for that. Steve Bruce! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papo Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Imagine being coached by Bruce after you spent years with Nagelsmann. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 The video misses out on the fact that we actually did change our formation and that he's quite shit as it is, does he really press defenders? i remember the fans were really angry with him during the home game at Palace for failing to press multiple times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Why does it have to be either/or? Is it not possible that Joelinton is not worth anywhere near the 40m paid and that hes playing in a poor side managed by a buffoon? If he was playing in say, Wolves side, he would have undoubtedly scored 10+ IMO. But 10 goals wouldnt make him a particularly good striker anyway, just a decent one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 The video misses out on the fact that we actually did change our formation and that he's quite shit as it is, does he really press defenders? i remember the fans were really angry with him during the home game at Palace for failing to press multiple times. Difficult to say what he's being asked to do though. Same went for Joselu and Mitro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 He's a dud. Nothing else to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Bzzzt. Sorry Hans, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 The video misses out on the fact that we actually did change our formation and that he's quite shit as it is, does he really press defenders? i remember the fans were really angry with him during the home game at Palace for failing to press multiple times. Difficult to say what he's being asked to do though. Same went for Joselu and Mitro. Except it worked for rondon Are the players shit or the system Probably a bit of both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 May as well post it in here, from my oldest boy! Toon’s new number 9, better than Joelinton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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