Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[GEFAFWISP]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Matty Longstaff looked well at the weekend. Wonder if he's fit enough to sign a new contract.

Rather him than Hayden 

[Jonas]

Ffs. I worried about whether the squad could cope on four fronts. Never imagined an injury nightmare like we've had.

[duo]

Didn't we spend millions on a new pool that was meant to aid recovery? Bring back the bins I say 

[NG32]

Grim news. 

[bobbydazzla]

Tsamina mina, eh, eh
Waka waka, eh, eh
Our midfield goes down the drain
Joelinton's crocked again

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, gbandit said:

Without a doubt, there’s been major failings with the medical department. I’m not talking about the injury lay off periods but the bringing people back too soon, Murphy included. 
 

Players like Burn have talked about coming back too early themselves. I think Howe has to take a small amount of responsibility too but the issue sits with the medical team / physios 

The physios don't decide when players come back from injury. It's the player and the manager.

[Kid Icarus]

Oh butter my arse

[AmericanLooneyToon]

3 hours ago, The Butcher said:

How many players have come back and then got injured again more or less straight away this season?

 

State of this

 

 

 

 

 

I do love one of the replies;

"did Barnes have his foot amputated?".

 

He could be onto something. Maybe there are landmines scattered across the pitch.

[Mountain]

3 hours ago, TBG said:

Triple H tore his quad and successfully defended his tag team championship.

 

Joelinton tears his quad and he won't defend this great city. 

 

Footballers, man.

 

 

Kurt Angle won a gold medal with a broken neck. Footballers are a vile breed!

[leffe186]

7 hours ago, RodneyCisse said:

Lack of Europe if we don’t get it next season would be a blessing to attack top 4.

 

Just look at spurs this season.

That would be the Spurs who lost three players to injury last week - GLC, Davies and Veliz . To add to all the other ones.

 

You’re right, but it’s no guarantee you won’t get injuries. Sometimes the lick just deserts you.

[Guest reefatoon]

3 hours ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

 "Joelintons injured so lets not try in the next game"

It’s mind boggling man 

[Memphis]

15 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

That would be the Spurs who lost three players to injury last week - GLC, Davies and Veliz . To add to all the other ones.

 

You’re right, but it’s no guarantee you won’t get injuries. Sometimes the lick just deserts you.

 

Sometimes you lick the dessert and sometimes the dessert licks you

[leffe186]

26 minutes ago, Memphis said:

 

Sometimes you lick the dessert and sometimes the dessert licks you

Sometimes you get a run of bad lick.

[Myleftboot]

4 hours ago, duo said:

Didn't we spend millions on a new pool that was meant to aid recovery? Bring back the bins I say 

[toon25]

6 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I try to judge each post on its own merits

 

To be fair, lying is a form of action

[Kanj]

Didn’t know we had licensed or board certified physios and doctors on this forum with all the supposed experts on load management and recovery and the like. While all of us are just speculating and using our best guesses we should all probably just assume the club’s staff are always in better position to determine who can play or not based on the severity of their respective injuries. What we as fans can do is ask the question if there any links to the breakdowns of the same players, why players aren’t getting operations and why the rehab doesn’t seem to be working…etc.  

 

would be nice if they’d come out and answer that because the injuries have completely fucked our season over. We’ve not had a single chance to show what we’re able to do full strength. 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2024 by Kanji

[Beren]

2 hours ago, Kanji said:

Didn’t know we had licensed or board certified physios and doctors on this forum with all the supposed experts on load management and recovery and the like. While all of us are just speculating and using our best guesses we should all probably just assume the club’s staff are always in better position to determine who can play or not based on the severity of their respective injuries. What we as fans can do is ask the question if there any links to the breakdowns of the same players, why players aren’t getting operations and why the rehab doesn’t seem to be working…etc.  

 

would be nice if they’d come out and answer that because the injuries have completely fucked our season over. We’ve not had a single chance to show what we’re able to do full strength. 

 

 

 

 

Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed.

 

Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc.

 

But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes.

 

It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time.

[Geordie Ahmed]

I get there are probably questions to be asked about the injuries and the rehab  etc but why does the Murphy one keep getting mentioned as a mistake 

 

As Howe explained at the time, if Murphy was operated on immediately the recovery time was estimated at 3 months, by not operating it made no difference to the recovery time, it was still 3 months 

 

But by not operating there was a chance we could have gotten some games out of him, it's something the medical staff and Murphy were fine to try. Obviously we didn't get much out of him but if they operated immediately he still wouldn't have been playing all these games 

[Kanj]

2 hours ago, Beren said:

 

Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed.

 

Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc.

 

But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes.

 

It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time.

I see you’ve got some legit info. Cheers. Thanks for that. Interesting. Scary too. 

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Beren said:

 

Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed.

 

Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc.

 

But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes.

 

It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time.

 

 

Don't like reading it but it rings uncomfortably true.

[Whitley mag]

3 hours ago, Beren said:

 

Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed.

 

Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc.

 

But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes.

 

It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time.

Howe needs to find another string to his bow this summer, or i fear next season will be his last. Both him and his medical team have been found badly wanting this season it’s looked like amateur hour.

[Magpie]

Apparently been an armed robbery at his house tonight. Joe was at the match so presume his wife and kids were in.

 

Utter bastards.

[Gallowgate Toon]

8 hours ago, Beren said:

 

Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed.

 

Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc.

 

But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes.

 

It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time.

You sure this is true? To my knowledge, only one of our sports scientists has ever worked with Howe before. We've got a few that were hired before he arrived, iirc.

[Myleftboot]

27 minutes ago, Magpie said:

Apparently been an armed robbery at his house tonight. Joe was at the match so presume his wife and kids were in.

 

Utter bastards.

Seriously?

[gbandit]

Fucking hell, hope they catch the cunts